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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:25 pm 
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Possibly wants to send Casboult back to the 2's to work on his drop punts.

Kruezer needs to get better playing as a forward. It will be a part of his ruck gig for years to come. Bit of development time won't kill him or us. It takes a few years for big KPF to come on.
Use JK as an example.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:37 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Possibly wants to send Casboult back to the 2's to work on his drop punts.

Kruezer needs to get better playing as a forward. It will be a part of his ruck gig for years to come. Bit of development time won't kill him or us. It takes a few years for big KPF to come on.
Use JK as an example.


Yeah I hear you, but ... Kreuzer is nowhere close to being a KPF.

Really imo, unless Kreuzer is rucking for 90-95% of the game, he's a liability on the ground. Weak overhead, no lift and slower than casboult over the ground.

Right now I'd be developing and getting as much time up front into Cas, not Kreuzer.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:06 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
CK95 wrote:
http://www.sen.com.au/display-article/Big-names-back-for-Blues/47458

They chose a lovely photo of Robo :lol:

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Carlton coach Brett Ratten says Andrew Walker and Mitch Robinson will play 'for sure' against Brisbane after three weeks out with injury.


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Ratten said Blues would also consider recalling ruckman Robert Warnock which would allow Matthew Kreuzer to spend time in the forward line.


Please no. This doesn't work. Kreuzer is about the worst forward in the game, and warnock the second worst.

Casboult shows us how important a KPF actually is. He got plenty of the ball and created contests. Meanwhile when Kreuzer was forward, he didn't get anywhere near the ball.

And you know when he does, he's not taking a contested mark like Cas can.

This is the frustrating part of this season, and imo Ratten's biggest achilles. List management. He doesn't seem to know where to play guys, he persists playing guys out of position.

meh


If he drops Casboult, who's showing something, for Kreuzer, who's purely a ruckman, to go forward then Ratten deserves everything he gets. To persist with something that doesn't means you haven't got a grip on what you're supposed to be doing.

Surely can't be that stupid.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:19 pm 
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It might be unrealistic to think Casboult is able to play 3 or 4 games in a row though Jim.

He's pretty slow and his match fitness isn't what it should be because of his injuries.

Kruez or Casboult forward there probably isn't much difference in marking power, but a gig gap in forward pressure.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:51 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
It might be unrealistic to think Casboult is able to play 3 or 4 games in a row though Jim.

He's pretty slow and his match fitness isn't what it should be because of his injuries.

Kruez or Casboult forward there probably isn't much difference in marking power, but a gig gap in forward pressure.
Casboult finished last week's game well and thus far it's working. He's looking a legit target forward. Kreuzer on the other hand can't play forward to save himself. Ruckmen in KP has now shown to be a flop. Given that it better to have Casboult there rather than a ruckman who's terrible forward.

Casboult is alot stronger mark IMO. He can split a pack and catch them while Kreuzer can't seem to get near them. Not sure whether you saw the VFL finals last year from Perth but some of his split-packing marks there were a VFL version of Jono Brown. Then some huge long bomb goals from outside 50. Obviously kicks better from out there than from 20m. His fitness isn't the same at present but he's showing the signs. I think he's better developing a KP player at this point of our season. Just play Casboult all year now. We've actually done better when adventureous with selection, even if it's been forced, the when conservative.

Maybe he's planning on playing Casboult at FF with Kreuzer resting.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:58 pm 
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If Warnock is available surely Kreuzer will be sidelined to get his knee right for preseason


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:04 pm 
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If Warnock is available surely Kreuzer will be sidelined to get his knee right for preseason


How long since Warnock has played any footy and how much before that? Yet we want to bring him straight back in?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:10 pm 
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Need the two ruckmen.

With Ratts kick it to the pocket so we can bring the players up the ground for a press... its killing Kreuzer.. the lone ruckman and struggling...
Pretty imaginative gameplan by Ratts....especially with a single lame ruckman..

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:11 pm 
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ok, play Thornton in the ruck I don't give a !@#$%, just don't unnecessarily grind Kreuzer into the dust


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:18 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Possibly wants to send Casboult back to the 2's to work on his drop punts.


How long has he been on the list Club, 4 years?
Surely if they wanted to work on his drop punts, they should have started about 1200 days ago?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:20 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
club29 wrote:
Possibly wants to send Casboult back to the 2's to work on his drop punts.


How long has he been on the list Club, 4 years?
Surely if they wanted to work on his drop punts, they should have started about 1200 days ago?

They couldnt... he had a large hangover....

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:21 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
club29 wrote:
Possibly wants to send Casboult back to the 2's to work on his drop punts.


How long has he been on the list Club, 4 years?
Surely if they wanted to work on his drop punts, they should have started about 1200 days ago?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:38 pm 
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I've witnessed a good performance from Kreuzer in the forwardline.

I've witnessed whilst Kreuzer is forward the players upfield give him no opportunity to compete.

I've witnessed Kreuzer not getting off the ground to high since his knee reco.

Doesn't mean Kreuzer doesn't have the goods to be a good KPF.

When he was in the TAC and in his first year in the AFL he was able to compete in the air.

What's gone wrong other than his team mates fluffing around upfield and he not fully recovering from the knee?

He's go pace and bulk to give him the edge over a KPD...so why don't we take advantage of him.

Well, bombing it up in the air isn't the answer. Looking for him and passing to advantage will help.

When Warnock has a good preseason and gets fit, and importantly strong, he will be better than Kreuzer as first ruck imo.
What do we do with Kreuzer if that happens? Trade him is not the answer; he's an assett.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:26 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
club29 wrote:
Possibly wants to send Casboult back to the 2's to work on his drop punts.


How long has he been on the list Club, 4 years?
Surely if they wanted to work on his drop punts, they should have started about 1200 days ago?


They work on it. Believe me they work on it.

THat purple patch with the boot kept him on the list last year.

Not sure his metres per minute when we are defence (opposition have the ball) mode would be half that of Kruezers.
I know who i would pick if i had a choose a forward out of K or Cas. Cas takes a good grab followed by shank but that is the only box he ticks at the moment. Send him back with things to work on if we can replace him.

I am not convinced Kruezer is getting run into the dirt either. He looks to be moving and contesting ok to me.

Was it Daniels for the saints/swans?? He would have been spoke of highly if he somehow changed the mechanics of his kicking. Ball was lucky to hit his boot.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:41 pm 
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Actually if Kreuzer looks ok to you club and hes contesting well.
We should have got the "Big Boy' McEvoy instead.... same draft quite a few picks later.. and doing better.. can take a contested mark.. and similar output in the ruck if not better...ad StKilda supporters dont like him.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:46 pm 
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Kruezer has to learn how to play forward because I know he likes playing Ruck but his tap work isnt elite and we need to develop a ruckman who can play forward

Warnock needs to play but needs to improve around the ground as he goes missing after the tap he also should spend time forward

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:51 pm 
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duigan watson touhy
scotland mcInnes yarran
simpson gibbs lucas
collins waite garlett
betts mitchell walker
kreuzer murphy carrazzo
curnow armfield casboult bell

happy for casboult to rotate with kreuzer
assuming walker is fit, dont think robinson will be
watson comes in for jamison
duigan comes in to help sure up the backline
want mitchell to play a few games just to get a taste, if he struggles sub him off and casboult goes forward
want to see lucas play the last four games, hope he decides to stay, confidence is a big thing
very happy with andy mcInnes


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:58 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Kruezer has to learn how to play forward because I know he likes playing Ruck but his tap work isnt elite and we need to develop a ruckman who can play forward

Warnock needs to play but needs to improve around the ground as he goes missing after the tap he also should spend time forward


Get Sam Jacobs back by swapping him with Gibbs.

Trade Kruezer for Greene at GWS

Hampson for Caddy at GC

& Warnock for Boak at PA

Done! :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:26 pm 
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Actually if Kreuzer looks ok to you club and hes contesting well.
We should have got the "Big Boy' McEvoy instead.... same draft quite a few picks later.. and doing better.. can take a contested mark.. and similar output in the ruck if not better...ad StKilda supporters dont like him.


Maybe we should have.

I still reckon Kreuzer will turn out a better player than Mcevoy though. Just needs to find some form. Get it all to click and hope game styles change in a way that suits his style. Big Leroy brown was a top 10 pick that eventually found his place after initially not showing much.

Not that i care much about pick number. That is something you get hung up on Synbad.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:39 pm 
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Really look forward to seeing this game.
Got a relo playing.
But really deep down I can't get excited about our 2012 season. Its over. I'm devastated.
Just sucked up a huge breath.

IN: Walker Robinson Watson
OUT:Davies Collins Jamison

Ins are great. But needed them last week. TBird deserves a spot, so does Ellard, but they're not the future either. It would be good to see Warnock can ruck at any level.
I wouldn't mind seeing the back of Curnow and Brock. They remind me of 2012.
I know they have been good, and I dig 'em both (Brock has Blueblood lineage) but they wont take us the next step. Great heart, both.

Get kids in Dale and Bootsma playing. I reckon Dale shows more than Lucas. So does Bootsma. Tuohy plays in the middle a bit.
Getting abit excited now...but whatever the MC do they do....I'm not impressed in them. The lot of them.

Dunno...how the @#$%&! did this seaons @#$%&! up happen? Nah, I don't wanna hear about it.

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