Can't see Bray or Carter being given another year, given their lack of impact in the VFL, when they've been able to get into the Northern seniors.

At the very least, I can't see there being sufficient interest for other clubs to poach them should we re-rookie via the draft either.

I agree re: Casboult's limitations, but think he offers more than White or Bower at this stage, or whatever ruck/forward we'd get to replace him on the rookie list.

Curnow, I'd be open to keeping for a third year on the rookie list, but don't think adding a 23 year old who isn't a walk up start to our primary list is necessarily improving it either. As I've mentioned before, delisting Ellard, and promoting Curnow seems a nothing move at best.

At the moment, you'd probably favour Curnow ahead of O'Keeffe, but if ROK puts in a few good games over the next month, I know who I'd prefer.

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Of the rookies:
Delist- Bray, Carter, Lodge, Heyne & Curnow
Keep- Dale.
Elevate- Bell & Casboult

Not sure if I've missed one.

Bray, Carter, Lodge & Heyne aren't doing enough at VFL standards to warrant more time.
Curnow will never be more than a fringe player, Ellard can do his role better and more importantly faster.
Bell has shown enough
Casboult could be the fwd/ruck we require. Kids his build take longer to develop. Look at Tom Hawkins, Travis Cloke, Zjosh Kennedy, Leigh Brown, etc for evidence.
Dale shows promise and should be given more time.

O'Keeffe is another I'm struggling with, keen to see him make it but at what point do you cut your losses. Ideally he should play 2-3 games this season so a better call can be made. Don't wanna see him flourish elsewhere.

Tuohy. Don't see why you'd elevate Bell when we can keep him on the rookie list as a nominated rookie next season anyway.

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Pretty sure there are no nominated rookies next year.

I'd elevate Tuohy, Bell and probably Casboult (but if the club decide to cut him, so be it).
I'd try to get a trade for Curnow
Happy enough for O'Keefe to get another year.
Dale stays, cut the rest.

From the senior list,
I doubt that Russell (unfortunately), Bower, Thornton, Kerr and White will survive.

That would give us 4 live picks.
Maybe try to trade Ellard.

I'd keep the rest of the list.

Does anyone have any footage of O'Keeffe's recent matches? He has looked quite slow for a long time now, and I really think he'd be useless at AFL level despite his positives.

I think Carter's talents aren't properly appreciated in a VFL match. He's a back pocket with clean skills who would help us out immensely in that back six. Fair call on Bray. Bower and Casboult don't really play any of the same positions. Stick with Henderson, Mitchell, Waite, Thornton and Rowe in the forward depth chart and seek out a 4th ruck rather than promote Levi.

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Depending on new coach (make a statement and fresh start) I reckon 6-8 of these will go:
Bower
Casboult
Collins
Curnow
Duigan
Ellard
Kerr
McCarthy
McLean
Mitchell
O'Keeffe
Rowe
Russell
Scotland
Thornton
White

Why is Mitchell even being discussed in this thread?

No footy in years and kicks 4-5 goals in games the reviewers rate as poor.

That is what i thought too. We have veterans next year so no spot for any nominated rookies (if there are still any).

How can a new coach make a call on any of these players when he hasn't even coached at training?
The club will make the call but the problem I have is that some of these guys will not get a chance under a new guy to prove themselves, ie. Thornton.

I agree....

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Ellard would probably be only a small part of a package but considering rumours of a serious rift he may be content with returning just to the WAFL. Workrate for VFL remains high even after being dismissed by the MC. For a lad that has worked his butt off he is being treated very poorly

What rift?

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Well I based it on the indications that we are well advanced in our appointment of a new coach and if so it could happen mid Oct. At that time we can start to re shape the list based on his philosophies and needs, he can sit down with McKay and Richardson & Co and have the discussions about the types of players required and their attributes.

I hate to say it but I cant see anyone on that list getting a game at Syd, Adel or Haw....most of them cant get a game at Carlton.

Waite would be our only veteran next year, if he plays on.

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Unless the rules have changed - don't think he's eligible.

Has to be 30 next season AND played 10 seasons at the club is what the AFL states here - http://www.afl.com.au/development/aflex ... px#veteran

Simpson will be 29 next year

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Its changing next year. Players only have to have played 10 years at that club.
There are also changes to the amount that doesnt have to be included in the cap, an amount of just over $100,000 is exempt for each veteran instead of the 50%. Waite is under the old system so half of his contract isnt included in the cap next year, i think Simpson is too because their contracts were signed prior to the new system.

There's still a month of footy to play, but at this stage I think I'd be delisting:

PRIMARY LIST

Rowe - assuming we can switch him from the primary list to the rookie list under the 'Ramanauskas rule';

JR - I'd love to think he could get back to his 2009/2010 form, but he might need a change of club to make it happen. Unfortunately, he no longer has any trade currency so I think the likely scenerio is that we'll delist him and another (SA?) club will give him a go as a mature rookie;

Bower - another player that I could see going elsewhere and playing another 50+ games. 2012 was always a make-or-break year for him at Carlton, and I don't think he's done enough to convince the club. Personally, I can still see an argument to keep him because Jamo is injury prone and we don't really have another tall defender with decent pace. And if White falls over in the next month that might put White in the gun instead of Bower;

Davies - some might say this is harsh, but I don't see enough AFL qualities in him;

T-Bird - turns 30 next year and is struggling to get a game despite solid form over the past 12 months as a key forward;

Kerr - has had 3 years and can't get a game;

AJ - the MC seem to like him, so he probably won't get delisted, but as much as I respect his efforts I don't think we're going to go forward with AJ in the side;

Ellard - another player that I have a lot of time for, but I think his papers are stamped. MC seem to prefer Curnow and Brock should get another year. Ellard's a tackling machine who gives his all, but an undersized player who doesn't have elite skills or above average pace is up against it in the AFL. Having said that, I think GWS should look at him as a mature rookie.


NB: Duigan might be another one they look at. Turns 28 next month and isn't in the team at the moment. They might decide to axe him and give Davies another year if they still see something in Davies. I don't really, so I'm prepared to give Duigan another year while we draft and develop someone else, particularly if JR is gone. And if Scotland decides to retire, that might mean Davies or JR holds on. McCarthy & Mitchell are not 100% certainties to be there next year either, but I'd be inclined to give them another year and assess them again in 12 months.


ROOKIE LIST

Bray - has had a couple of years now and been unable to establish himself in the VFL senior side, so you'd think he's in trouble.

Lodge - to be honest, hard to make a call on him considering he's hardly been sighted. Might get another year;

Heyne - sorry, I don't see him making it;

Carter - see Heyne;

ROK- needs to break into the side and show something before the end of the season, otherwise time has probably run out for him unfortunately. I really hope they give him a go this week;


NB: Casboult, Curnow & Tuohy to be promoted to the primary list and Bell & Dale to stay on the rookie list for another season.

Subject to what happens in trade week, that would give us 5 picks in the National Draft....

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Pretty fair summary.

Collins and White would be the other 2 on the primary list who might be in a bit of trouble.

Then there's trades. If someone comes in for Warnock or Lucas with a good pick that might save someone's skin.