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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:13 pm 
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[quote="Gavstar22"]Gibb's should be our Goddard, he has skills and strength./quote]
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:13 pm 
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mikkey wrote:
I thinks a game looks very different on TV compared to being there. Being present, what stood out for me was that the Swans always seemed to have more people around the contest and more options when moving the ball. We often stopped when getting the ball because there was no one to play to. It does not help that our delivery by foot was really bad.

What was the defining difference was that the Swans worked far harder off the ball. They ran harder and created the options. We did not and Murphy without the ball was disappointing and so were others. Our work rate was better the last 2 games and by not working hard by spreading or staying with your opponent made it so easy for them to control the game.

It was very frustrating to watch the non-ball carriers when Swans turned it over or we were playing out of defense. On the opposite scenario you have 4-5 Swans running hard leaving their opponents behind and opening us up like soft butter. They should have won by 10 goals but relaxed in the last qtr.


I said as much on a different board. Spot on Mikkey.

The Swans just set up better around and outside the stoppages.
I wasn't worried about any other aspect of the game than this, and once we couldn't counter their positioning and planning to collect the outside ball from their inside mids, it was all over.
Must admit it didn't look great to see them teaming up to a plan when we didn't have one.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:14 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
what a shit game

can anyone explain what the !@#$%& we were trying to do out there?

our game plan? our forward structure? our clearance setups? what the !@#$%& was going on?

Ask Club....I'm sure he'll come up with something....

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:16 pm 
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nobody can answer because there aren't any !!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:19 pm 
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12 months ago we were 10 goals up in the 3rd quarter against this side. Astonishing to see how far we have gone backwards since then.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:22 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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Brad, love your focus on anything positive, but reality is obvious sometimes.


You don't get it.

Its not about seeing everything as positive.

The way you guys carry on and blame the coach for everything is embarassing.

nah whats embarassing is making excuses for a guy who tags everything that moves.. :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:22 pm 
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mikkey wrote:
I thinks a game looks very different on TV compared to being there. Being present, what stood out for me was that the Swans always seemed to have more people around the contest and more options when moving the ball. We often stopped when getting the ball because there was no one to play to. It does not help that our delivery by foot was really bad.

What was the defining difference was that the Swans worked far harder off the ball. They ran harder and created the options. We did not and Murphy without the ball was disappointing and so were others. Our work rate was better the last 2 games and by not working hard by spreading or staying with your opponent made it so easy for them to control the game.

It was very frustrating to watch the non-ball carriers when Swans turned it over or we were playing out of defense. On the opposite scenario you have 4-5 Swans running hard leaving their opponents behind and opening us up like soft butter. They should have won by 10 goals but relaxed in the last qtr.


I said as much on a different board. Spot on Mikkey.

The Swans just set up better around and outside the stoppages.
I wasn't worried about any other aspect of the game than this, and once we couldn't counter their positioning and planning to collect the outside ball from their inside mids, it was all over.
Must admit it didn't look great to see them teaming up to a plan when we didn't have one.


Exactly. Well said. This has been our biggest issue since Essendon* picked us apart earlier in the year. Games against Adelaide, North, St Kilda have highlighted this. Today I watched on TV the others I watched live. The difference is chalk and cheese.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:26 pm 
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The thing that disturbs me most is when I see one of our players with ball gradually get
cornered and collered because he doesn't have any options. Sometimes today you could see a
long camera shot and there wouldn't be one Carlton player running to try and provide an option ...
not one!! You'd hear the ump call play on and the poor b*stard with the ball would find himself
trying to dodge two or more Swans. He'd end up either pounded into the ground of kicking wildly.

Great pressure from the Swans, but if all his teamates are going to do is just walk around we didn't
make it too hard for them.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:30 pm 
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Oh - and I don't think anyone's mention it : Armfield.

Continue to be more and more impressed with this lad. Three highlights from him spring
to mind today. A great long running goal, (one/two's with his teamates). A great defensive
lunge to stuff up a Swan shot a goal. A very couragous running back with the flight attempt
at a mark, (clipped in the head and goaled from free kick).

He still stuffs up disposal from time to time, but less so. Faith has been shown in this lad and
he's getting better and better.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:31 pm 
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Club29, I am 57 years old I don't have heroes.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:32 pm 
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That is the closest anyone has got to them in 7 weeks
There were parts of this game where we completely outplayed them but we just could not find a way through to goal

Waite was very good today

If Judd and Walker play we win

They punished our mistakes like no other team has done hardly any of their goals came from Swans be creative they came because we coughed the ball up

Out skills are rubbish
Difficult to coach skills

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:36 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
If Judd and Walker play we win

Out skills are rubbish

Difficult to coach skills


If Judd and Walker play we win? So we'd be able to kick a winning score with them in even against a gun back 7?

Our skills are rubbish you say and difficult to change...hmmmmm maybe don't draft so many players with poor kicking techniques.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:40 pm 
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Sydney , If our skills are rubbish how do we improve them.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:43 pm 
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mots wrote:
Sydney , If our skills are rubbish how do we improve them.


Never underestimate what confidence, belief in game plan and what to do in every situation can make to our skills and decision making.

To say our skills are simply just poor is ignorant of what happens at a football club.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:44 pm 
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mikkey wrote:
I thinks a game looks very different on TV compared to being there. Being present, what stood out for me was that the Swans always seemed to have more people around the contest and more options when moving the ball. We often stopped when getting the ball because there was no one to play to. It does not help that our delivery by foot was really bad.

What was the defining difference was that the Swans worked far harder off the ball. They ran harder and created the options. We did not and Murphy without the ball was disappointing and so were others. Our work rate was better the last 2 games and by not working hard by spreading or staying with your opponent made it so easy for them to control the game.

It was very frustrating to watch the non-ball carriers when Swans turned it over or we were playing out of defense. On the opposite scenario you have 4-5 Swans running hard leaving their opponents behind and opening us up like soft butter. They should have won by 10 goals but relaxed in the last qtr.

Saved me a lot of typing...

Got smashed in the ruck, the midfield, stoppages, the spread and as you said, it seemed like they had extra numbers everywhere. We either have the laziest bunch of pretenders and they they just can't understand playing to instruction or as I suspect, the coaching instructions themselves are just shit.

How impressive were the Swan's defensive zones? How many times did we just turn it over (Gibbs) straight to them?

Today we played a proper top 4 team and we are nothing more than middle of the road... so sad

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:46 pm 
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mots wrote:
Sydney , If our skills are rubbish how do we improve them.


Bad skills happen when there are no "easy" options to kick to and you are under pressure. The lack of system without the ball gets people to loose confidence and having no good options leads to mistakes. Todays game showed how a better set-up and work without the ball "nurture" skills. Look how well skilled we look when we dominate a game. It is not the "skill" itself.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:49 pm 
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mikkey wrote:
mots wrote:
Sydney , If our skills are rubbish how do we improve them.


Bad skills happen when there are no "easy" options to kick to and you are under pressure. The lack of system without the ball gets people to loose confidence and having no good options leads to mistakes. Todays game showed how a better set-up and work without the ball "nurture" skills. Look how well skilled we look when we dominate a game. It is not the "skill" itself.


Thats what I said. :wink:

Too many people look at what happens instead of looking for the cause.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:54 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
jim wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Score meant nothing. They toyed with us and Longmire was not happy.

Sydney play a great disciplined game that will serve them well in finals. They are a club with a great culture and structures.

Something which we should try and emulate.
They didn't toy with us, that's crap. We matched them in general play, they used it way better going forward and were outstanding in defence. We used it badly going forward and kicked at goal terribly. Underdone, undermanned, were always up against it. Thing is in all this we've found some young players who can play. Did ok against the very best but could've been better still.


They read us like a book - knew what play we'd do before we even did it - they hardly let us have any unpressured play at all

Sydney are well drilled, competitive animals.


Spot on. We don't have an alternative game plan. It's simple for well drilled hard working teams like swans. Why the hell persist going wide along the boundaries when we are the best part of 6 goals down? We don't have fev to take a mark 60 out on a pocket to drill it through??

The obvious approach is straight down the corridor.

In addition we got smashed in contested ball. Ratts what were the stats here?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:55 pm 
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The one positive for me today was Waite. He worked hard, marked and kicked goals. Very good after such a long break. Noticed tat we did not often enough had the combination of Waite CHF and Levi at FF. I think that is a good set-up with Jeff and Eddie at their feet. Most of the time it looked like only one tall to kick to who had 2 or 3 opponents.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:58 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
mikkey wrote:
mots wrote:
Sydney , If our skills are rubbish how do we improve them.


Bad skills happen when there are no "easy" options to kick to and you are under pressure. The lack of system without the ball gets people to loose confidence and having no good options leads to mistakes. Todays game showed how a better set-up and work without the ball "nurture" skills. Look how well skilled we look when we dominate a game. It is not the "skill" itself.


Thats what I said. :wink:

Too many people look at what happens instead of looking for the cause.



Like when Tuohy got caught with the ball in the last quarter he was running trying to make the play but got no support or options up the ground.

Swans in a similar position would have been better structured/drilled/set up and there would have been options for him.

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