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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:13 pm 
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Gibbs too slow too soft not as skilfull as people think he is
Panics under pressure
People get defensive when this comes up. But the evidence is there to see every week.
Gibbs had 29 possessions but had little impact even when he went onto the ball


Agreed.
Got most of his posessions in the back third of the ground, and just goes for the lazy, easy option more often then not.

Was confused as to why Gibbs started on Goodes again. Ratten seriously needs to get over that BOG game Gibbs had on Goodes back in 2009. The matchup hasnt worked since, but the moron still persists.

Also good to see our ingenious coach wait until we were 6 goals down at 3 quarter time before he finally moved Gibbs into the midfield. Dont know why he had to wait until the game was as good as over before he made such a move.

Its dumb things like that that dont help both player or Club.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:16 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:

Thronton doesn't work hard enough, if he did he'd play every week.

Cant have an underdone Waite, a slow CBoult and a no defensive pressure Thornton in the same side.


Are you serious? Thornton works bloody hard. Ran himself into the ground last week and had a big influence on our win.

He does a lot of hard and smart work by bringing others into play and creating space. Interesting that we seem to win a lot when he is in the side.

Maybe the reason he isn't picked is because he and Ratten don't get along?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:18 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
I saw some stats about two weeks ago that showed that those sides had lost more games from their supposed best 22 players than ours. Interesting reading.

Have you seen any reserves games over the past 12 months? Casboult's kicking has been very good and he has worked hard on it. Ever thought the kid may be nervous or fatigued? He hasnt had a lot of footy this year.

I seem to remember Tom Hawkins kicking being questioned only a few weeks ago. Seems to have improved lately!! :wink:
I saw the same stats here http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default ... sid=142503. Below is the games missed from the best 22 of some of finals teams and us according to that list. Our games missed would be even worse since that article was posted obviously and the quality of the players lost is also a significant factor that this catch all stat misses.

Carlton 87
Collingwood 93
West Coast 87
Essendon* 75
Sydney 32
Hawthorn 45
Adelaide 40
Nth Melbourne 29

As for Casboult I've seen a few VFL games and I'd describe his kicking as inconsistent rather than very good. Fatigue plays a role but thats another issue with him.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:19 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:

Thronton doesn't work hard enough, if he did he'd play every week.

Cant have an underdone Waite, a slow CBoult and a no defensive pressure Thornton in the same side.


Are you serious? Thornton works bloody hard. Ran himself into the ground last week and had a big influence on our win.

He does a lot of hard and smart work by bringing others into play and creating space. Interesting that we seem to win a lot when he is in the side.

Maybe the reason he isn't picked is because he and Ratten don't get along?


Yep, Ratten would stop playing a guy who could save his career, according to you. :donk:

Who's being serious?.

TBird is serviceable forward, so it was a simple choice between him CBoult, Waite and Thornton. TBird cant ruck and Wait starred, so it was an easy choice.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:20 pm 
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Boring game overall. Still don't like to watch Sydney play football.

We have gone back to stuffing around too much getting out of defence and our forward line has no one in it most of the time forcing us to slow down and they get numbers back.

Waite did alright in his first game in a million years.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:21 pm 
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Gibbs= Soft Serve :!:


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:22 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Thronton doesn't work hard enough, if he did he'd play every week.

Cant have an underdone Waite, a slow CBoult and a no defensive pressure Thornton in the same side.
Agree with this. Neither Thornton or Casboult offer much defensively in the forward half.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:22 pm 
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Mc Innes and White are not forwards and it beggers belief that Ratten has used a defender as a forward all year when it clearly doesn't work.


Yeah but it worked once with Duigan and Sticks thought that was the work of genius so he's going to try it every second week for the rest of his not terribly long future career as a coach.

As for Gibbs the flaws I see are in his development rather than his skills.

I look at Gibbs and Daisy Thomas and the way they've progressed over the years and the impact that Malthouse had on turning Thomas into a gut running mid-fielder whilst Gibbs has been allowed to wander around half-back is fairly obvious.

It may be too late for Bryce but I'd love to see what a hard arse coach would do with him.

A spell in the twos after any weak effort early in his career might have done him wonders but it seems you're not allowed to do that to the son of one of the president's buddies.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:23 pm 
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Sticks is coach?

Getting your agenda's mixed up there GWS.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:24 pm 
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Yep Mark Riley said before the Adelaide clash in round 8 that Thornton had been dropped because his forward pressure was non existent.

Nothing has changed since to suggest that Thornton would follow the coach's instructions if picked in the senior side.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:24 pm 
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club29 wrote:
The rest of the season is going to interesting to watch now that finals are pretty much done.

Hopefully Brock doesn`t find the experimenting too offensive.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:25 pm 
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The only thing holding back Gibbs is Gibbs it has @#$%&! all to do with Ratten

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:26 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
club29 wrote:
The rest of the season is going to interesting to watch now that finals are pretty much done.

Hopefully Brock doesn`t find the experimenting too offensive.


No experimenting ... we can still play finals. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:28 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
The only thing holding back Gibbs is Gibbs it has !@#$%& all to do with Ratten

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:30 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Pklz wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
1- The Selection of Davies ahead of Thornton was Rubbish. Not only Davies ended up being the Sub but when he came on, he made Some Critical errors in Defense which Gifted Sydney 2 Easy Goals. Doesnt look an AFL Standard Player.

I was quite impressed with Davies given the limited time he had on the field.



Which of his changers impressed you the most?

He doesn't have a clanger next to his name. Embarrassing for you. Nice goal assist though.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:31 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Sticks is coach?

Getting your agenda's mixed up there GWS.


No.

Ratten is coach and he's mates with the President who is mates with Bryce's dad.

To add to the fact that the club are so shit scared as to what the media might say if they dropped a number one draft pick that they don't.

We're rubbish at the selection table and the reasons for why one player is dropped and another not are so bizarrely baffling that a good conspiracy theory is the only logical solution.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:32 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
The only thing holding back Gibbs is Gibbs it has !@#$%& all to do with Ratten


Absolutely.

Im a massive Gibbs fan but today his decisions were just poor for 50% of the time.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:33 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
keogh wrote:
Gibbs too slow too soft not as skilfull as people think he is
Panics under pressure
People get defensive when this comes up. But the evidence is there to see every week.
Gibbs had 29 possessions but had little impact even when he went onto the ball


Agreed.
Got most of his posessions in the back third of the ground, and just goes for the lazy, easy option more often then not.

Was confused as to why Gibbs started on Goodes again. Ratten seriously needs to get over that BOG game Gibbs had on Goodes back in 2009. The matchup hasnt worked since, but the moron still persists.

Also good to see our ingenious coach wait until we were 6 goals down at 3 quarter time before he finally moved Gibbs into the midfield. Dont know why he had to wait until the game was as good as over before he made such a move.

Its dumb things like that that dont help both player or Club.


Come on Dominator. That Gibbs to Goodes tactic has worked a number of times. They had a good battle today early before we no longer required Gibbs on Goodes.

Gibbs played a good game. His ball use was poor once moved on ball. I thought he was better in the backline today.

Gibbs should concentrate on becoming the best backman he can possibly be. He should watch Birchall each week and strive to play like him. He has similar tools just a bit shorter. Just needs to get his head around the job and the coaches have to stop moving him around.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:34 pm 
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GWS wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Sticks is coach?

Getting your agenda's mixed up there GWS.


No.

Ratten is coach and he's mates with the President who is mates with Bryce's dad.

To add to the fact that the club are so shit scared as to what the media might say if they dropped a number one draft pick that they don't.

We're rubbish at the selection table and the reasons for why one player is dropped and another are so bizarrely baffling that a good conspiracy theory is the only logical solution.


So long as we are clear, it's a conspiracy to keep Bryce's dad relationship with Sticks solid.

Phew!

Thought it might be footy related. :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:36 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
GWS wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Sticks is coach?

Getting your agenda's mixed up there GWS.


No.

Ratten is coach and he's mates with the President who is mates with Bryce's dad.

To add to the fact that the club are so shit scared as to what the media might say if they dropped a number one draft pick that they don't.

We're rubbish at the selection table and the reasons for why one player is dropped and another are so bizarrely baffling that a good conspiracy theory is the only logical solution.


So long as we are clear, it's a conspiracy to keep Bryce's dad relationship with Sticks solid.

Phew!

Thought it might be footy related. :lol:


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