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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:04 am 
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Surely Davies is out, he isn't required to start with and the fact White is a near certainty there's no possie for him.
I'd go with Int: bell, McLean, Thornton sub Collins

So out duigan, Dale, Davies
In waite, simmo, white.

Agree we should try 3 tall fwds in waite, casboult & Thornton and its a plan b if either Waite gets injured or mcinnes & white are struggling on larger opponents.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:24 am 
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If white just got LARS... or SARS or whatever he had... and is rushed into the firsts side against sydney... and we get smashed... does he disappear forever after that????

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:44 am 
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Synbad wrote:
If white just got LARS... or SARS or whatever he had... and is rushed into the firsts side against sydney... and we get smashed... does he disappear forever after that????


Whit has played like 3-4 games now and by reports has been avg 20 odd touches and been named in best 2-3 times. He's match fit. Alot more than Waite.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:27 am 
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Effes wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Effes wrote:
Thornton is definitely OUT

Changes are

IN: Waite, White, Simpson
OUT: Duigan, Dale, Thornton


Thornton is definitely not out YET


We will see.


Yes, we will all see when he is named as out, because then it will be definite ;-)


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:34 am 
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Hibbo wrote:
Surely Davies is out, he isn't required to start with and the fact White is a near certainty there's no possie for him.
I'd go with Int: bell, McLean, Thornton sub Collins

So out duigan, Dale, Davies
In waite, simmo, white.

Agree we should try 3 tall fwds in waite, casboult & Thornton and its a plan b if either Waite gets injured or mcinnes & white are struggling on larger opponents.


I hope you're right! :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:24 am 
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Smurph wrote:
Hibbo wrote:
Surely Davies is out, he isn't required to start with and the fact White is a near certainty there's no possie for him.
I'd go with Int: bell, McLean, Thornton sub Collins

So out duigan, Dale, Davies
In waite, simmo, white.

Agree we should try 3 tall fwds in waite, casboult & Thornton and its a plan b if either Waite gets injured or mcinnes & white are struggling on larger opponents.


I hope you're right! :thumbsup:


Id prefer an extra running player than another lumbery tall forward. Costs too much in rotations and run and you end up paying for that late in quarters. Making plans around Waite possibly getting injured again is not good planning.
Have the confidence he is going to play the game out or dont play him at all.

Leave one of Thornton or Casboult out if Waite plays.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:36 am 
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A win against the Swans is just what the doctor has prescribed. If we can have wins with Dogs-Tiges-Swans-Lions before an epic Bombers encounter then it more than anything gives the team belief that their season may not be destroyed.

Round 23 is looming as a huge game.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:04 am 
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Synbad wrote:
If white just got LARS... or SARS or whatever he had... and is rushed into the firsts side against sydney... and we get smashed... does he disappear forever after that????


I don't think that alone was the only reason Fish was banished. Chris Johnson played his last game that day too.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:22 am 
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Interesting reading the comments during the last week without being able to comment! :wink:

The inconsistency of some peoples comments are amazing and their need to chop and change very week astounds me.

People asking for guys like Davies, Casboult, Collins to be dropped is ridiculous.

Weeks ago we were just asking for an effort. The past few weeks we finally got it! I admit that the standard we have played has been poor but the effort especially in the second halves will be better.

I got absolutely howled down a few weeks ago for saying we need to play the kids. Some people said it was tanking. It's not. It's development, it's list management. These days you need a minimum 30 players that can step up at any time. If we don't give them experience how do we know? This has been a major failing of the MC over the past few years. Injuries have fortunately shown its worth.

We need to see Davies, Casboult, McInnes, Collins, Watson, White, Lucas, Bell etc play games! Not one, not two but more and more. Don't judge kids on one or two games, it takes some time. Just let them play.

The other issue I have is the comments by Ratten saying we will get Walker, Simpson, Robinson, Waite etc. back. In theory that is great but IMO why make major changes to a winning side? Let them earn their spots back. That is a great culture to have.

We always used to have a rule that if a player missed 4 or more weeks they had to play in the 2's. It was for everybody.

If you were Casboult and has played in two winning games and shown some ability how would you feel being dropped for Walker who has been injured for over a month?

Ask Lucas how he felt turing up to the MCG last week only to be told he was out for Duigan? Not a good way to treat a kid.

So many good things are happening I just hope the footy department can hold their nerve.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:28 am 
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Club29 I don't want Thornton just for insurance its just he'd add that also. He is a good mark, can bring ball to ground and can kick multiple goals. He can swing back and release white if need be and if we are looking slow then sub one out. I think having the three tall fwds adds more than it minuses.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:49 am 
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Hibbo wrote:
Club29 I don't want Thornton just for insurance its just he'd add that also. He is a good mark, can bring ball to ground and can kick multiple goals. He can swing back and release white if need be and if we are looking slow then sub one out. I think having the three tall fwds adds more than it minuses.


I agree. Thornton should be in the side. If you have him as the hard working CHF, Casboult at FF and Waite as a third tall that is a good forward line IMO and takes pressure off Betts.

Unfortunately his selection has more to do with personality than it does ability or form.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:07 pm 
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I wouldnt do it.

I would leave out one of Thornton or Casboult for Waite. We will need all we have around the packs and inbetween the arcs against the swans.

Casboult looked to be struggling to keep up last week so i dont think it would harm him to go back and get fitter. Bring him back later in season for a game or two.

He will be pumped after getting a taste.

Having said that, he might be a better option than thornton because he can play ruck better.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:09 pm 
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yibbida wrote:
Army to run with Jetta. Take away their outside weapon and we are a slightly better chance.


I would prefer Army to play another defensive forward role on Shaw, he plays very similar to his brother and sets up a Lot of their attacks from half back, and Army has shown that if he isn't respected and played on he can do damage in the forward line.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:11 pm 
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blues8182 wrote:
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Army to run with Jetta. Take away their outside weapon and we are a slightly better chance.


I would prefer Army to play another defensive forward role on Shaw, he plays very similar to his brother and sets up a Lot of their attacks from half back, and Army has shown that if he isn't respected and played on he can do damage in the forward line.


How about Garlett on Jetta?

FINALLY played up the field last week. Running with Jetta would show him what it takes.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:33 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
1. We need to see Davies, Casboult, McInnes, Collins, Watson, White, Lucas, Bell etc play games! Not one, not two but more and more. Don't judge kids on one or two games, it takes some time. Just let them play.

2. The other issue I have is the comments by Ratten saying we will get Walker, Simpson, Robinson, Waite etc. back. In theory that is great but IMO why make major changes to a winning side? Let them earn their spots back. That is a great culture to have.
We always used to have a rule that if a player missed 4 or more weeks they had to play in the 2's. It was for everybody.

3. If you were Casboult and has played in two winning games and shown some ability how would you feel being dropped for Walker who has been injured for over a month?

4. Ask Lucas how he felt turing up to the MCG last week only to be told he was out for Duigan? Not a good way to treat a kid.


1. That's all fine saying that and I'm fine with it as long as the guys have the fitness levels to see the games through.
e.g. I can see Casboult running out of steam sooner than Bell will, given his base and the games he has had.
There is little point playing a player that your fitness staff don't think will see the game out. Management again is the key. Geelong for example are currently doing this well.

2. Again, if your best players have been given the time to get fully fit, why would you keep them out. We didn't with Carrazzo and Murphy, nor will we put Judd through a week at a lower level.

3. Casboult should be pleased to have been given games as should Watson.

4. Lucas would be livid. Most of us would be under the same circumstances and I'm not sure that was a great move by us, irrespective of the end result.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:42 pm 
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I'd like Joseph on jetta in a negating role. Has the pace and endurance and Id hate to lose army as he has proved he can zone off and damage opposition playing fwd when the occasion arises.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:45 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
I am not a big fan of Thornton, but must admit he was good last week. His dropping is harsh. Davies did not play well at all, gave away so many frees. Should be out.


I think Thornton's time has come and gone, one of the things I have always disliked about him is that whenever he loses a contest or gets beaten to the ball he always looks back to where the ball has come from and appears to give the bloke who kicked the ball a dirty look and always appears to crack it with blokes he thinks should have given him a chop out, he doesn't seem to want to take responsibility for his own mistakes or shortcomings, everyone is talking about developing the kids so someone has to miss out & I think the likes of McInnes, Watson & Touhey should always be played above him.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:51 pm 
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I would personally love to see Yarran match up on Jetta. I think Chris has the ability to hurt him running forward.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:56 pm 
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harker wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
1. We need to see Davies, Casboult, McInnes, Collins, Watson, White, Lucas, Bell etc play games! Not one, not two but more and more. Don't judge kids on one or two games, it takes some time. Just let them play.

2. The other issue I have is the comments by Ratten saying we will get Walker, Simpson, Robinson, Waite etc. back. In theory that is great but IMO why make major changes to a winning side? Let them earn their spots back. That is a great culture to have.
We always used to have a rule that if a player missed 4 or more weeks they had to play in the 2's. It was for everybody.

3. If you were Casboult and has played in two winning games and shown some ability how would you feel being dropped for Walker who has been injured for over a month?

4. Ask Lucas how he felt turing up to the MCG last week only to be told he was out for Duigan? Not a good way to treat a kid.


1. That's all fine saying that and I'm fine with it as long as the guys have the fitness levels to see the games through.
e.g. I can see Casboult running out of steam sooner than Bell will, given his base and the games he has had.
There is little point playing a player that your fitness staff don't think will see the game out. Management again is the key. Geelong for example are currently doing this well.

2. Again, if your best players have been given the time to get fully fit, why would you keep them out. We didn't with Carrazzo and Murphy, nor will we put Judd through a week at a lower level.

3. Casboult should be pleased to have been given games as should Watson.

4. Lucas would be livid. Most of us would be under the same circumstances and I'm not sure that was a great move by us, irrespective of the end result.


I dont quite understand why would Casboult look like he is running out of steam? He had a great pre season then missed a couple of months with a knee. He has now had 3 games back. He should actually be feeling fresh and getting better with games under his belt.

As for bringing back players you need to look at the overall picture instead of just this week. The last two weeks we have won. When Simpson, Walker etc went out we were struggling. No energy and getting thrashed. How about the club being about developing a winning culture? If you win and contribute you stay in.

To be honest the last two weeks have given more hope for the future of the club and its culture than the the previous ten.

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