He wouldn't. I've got no problem with another club paying massive overs for him.

Because we are a better club than those two.

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And Collingwood is better than us all. Based on best-club, he isn't moving.

So either he hates the new coaching regime, or his only goal is money. Either way, it doesn't sound like he's trying to get to 'the best club'... because he's already there.

are we ?

Cloke is after nothing but money. He'll be at the club that offers him the most.

I'm talking about David Cloke that is...

I can't believe we would be chasing Cloke. Personally I think he is average and the money we would have to pay would severely restrict our list.

These days with the speed of the game and the attrition rate you need a minimum of 30 players who can stand up and play.

You could get 2 very good players with what we would pay Cloke. Plus with Casboult, Mitchell, Henderson, Waite, McCarthy we have some good talent.

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1 mill goes a long way to keep our younger players together and satisfied.
Like you said we have the immediate talent and future prostpects in the forward KP department.
Cloke's contribution would start from next year.
By that time Henderson will be up, Waite will make his cameo appearances, Hampson and Kreuzer would have another start to slot in a possie and a few more games and another
pre-season in Mitchell, Casboult without injury and also McCarthy.
A lot of outlay for an inconsistent and over rated playerthat that wouldn't offer nothing extra to these players we have at the moment.
Keep them fighting for their spots and they will need to be on top of their game to get a start.
Good for them and good for the club.

I hate the filth as much as anyone but claims that Cloke is overated are off the mark. If he becomes available I hope we are doing everything possible to bring him over. I trust the CFC hierarchy have been planning for free agency and if we have the cash - GET HIM!

How do people honestly think the best contested mark (and top 5 KPF) in the competition would not add significantly more to our team than the young and unproven Mitchell and Caboult. I have high hopes for both lads (particularly Mitchell) but we can't rest our hopes on 2 guys that have played a total of 2 games. Add Rowe into the mix and it's 3 guys with 2 games.

Cloke turned 25 a few months back. He is still young and is extremelly durable - in the last 5 seasons he has played 25, 23, 22, 24, 25 games. Compare that to Jarrod Waite - I love the guy but we can't rely on Waite getting on the field let alone leading a premiership forwardline. With Cloke at CHF and Waite on the flank (when available), Mitchell/Casboult would be able to develop without the attention of the best opposition defenders.

Our team when fit is not far off - we have close to the best midfield, great ruck stocks, quality defence and excellent small forwards. A genuine top quality KPF could be the final piece of the puzzle...

Waite is one piece of the puzzle.
You have Henderson who holds down 1 forward KP.
Waite, Casboult, Mitchell the second.
Resting ruck in the pocket if needed.
Medium-Small forwards and other marking options and resting on ballers or defending forwards- Gibbs, Walker, Robinson, Collins, Duigan, Yarren, Judd, Collins, Betts, Garlett, Armfield ect.
We have the talent to mix and match it in the forward line we are just very reactive because of what has transpered over the last year or so.
KP's players do start to make in roads in their early 20's then have a good 8 years.
All of ours except for Waite are coming into that bracket.
Everyone has got their finger out of joint when Jacobs went to Adelaide and started to play the footy he has been playing.
Our boys will start maturing in a year or so and if we want to reap the benefits for the next decade we need to be in a position to hold on to them and play them.
Waite and Henderson are good enough to hold down the two spots for the next couple of years and getting the young boys in as third talls or support roles will give our forward structure a boost that is so soarly missing.
We keep forgetting that Henderson and Waite have not played consistently together in the forward line for a couple of years.
Maybe they won't but now we have other options to suppoort them.
Our problem as supporters is that we demand success and we demand it now.
If you plan for short term success you might get it but if you want to build a successful future you have to put time in growth and development.
Players need to believe in their future, to be a part of that future and to work towards the future they believe themselves will be a part of.
It's not only one player who might help us achieve success but to rebuild a once successful and proud football club.
If we don't learn from our history we are doomed to repeat it.

No matter what people think of Cloke it s hard to justify $1m a year for him.

IMO we should look for a key defender. Look at someone such as a Chaplin type. Wouldn't cost as much and he would add depth to Jamison, Watson, McCarthy and third talls in Laidler, White & McInness.

This allows Henderson to be a forward along with Waite, Mitchell, Rowe & Casboult. Hopefully Thornton will also be retained. Walker as a third tall type.

Hopefully then another one or two talls can be drafted.

Our focus then should be adding to our ball winning and kicking ability through the midfield.

Add one or two more "A" grade mids to that side plus some depth and we are right in it.

We have free agency, trade week and a draft to chieve this.

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Surely there is no one left planning on Waite making any kind of significant input to this team.

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Cloke having another big game tonight?

His price is going down week by week.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

I believe Cloke is overrated. Yep, his contested marking is great but come on, he is no Wayne Carey or Sticks Kernahan, I wouldn't go after him, but that is just MHO

Year now over as far as finals are concerned.

Time to clear out deadwood and play kids.

OKeefe, Watson, Lucas, Dale, Buckley need to get some games.

Jamo, Warnock etc. need to have rest and surgery and be ready for a full Pre season!

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

yep. agree. and the 'deadwood' has to start with our over abundance of the 'one paced midfielder' or tagger type.

lovely torquay boy is curnow, but unfortunately reminds me of brett johnson

....and our ripping tassie wonder Aaron J....too much like anthony franchina.....

most importantly we have to start building a list made up of our own 'home grown' talent. build a list that has balance and is even.

we cant continue to try and build a list around one or two big names eg Judd or Fevola. we continue to live in the past if that continues.

The decision has to be not whether they are handy or good clubman or are liked or even show some potential it has to be can they play a role in a premiership side?

Personally I'd get rid of Curnow, AJ, McLean, Bower, Russell, Armfield, Kerr, Carter, Heyne and hopefully replace with 1-2 very good free agents, some good trades and some bloody good kids.

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Armfield is a keeper, imo. Same with AJ. He can lock down opposing small forwards. A prem team needs that, huh?

This.
I'd give McLean another year too.

but keep Davies?

Davies is a talented kid who has been rushed into senior footy with a limited preparation and virtually no footy this year. He has struggled in the last two games but he is better than that.

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