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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:54 pm 
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Bower Russell Curnow are expendable, as are Bell, McInness, Casboult and Dale



McInness is rapidly becoming far from expendable.



Isn't it amazing when you put a few games into a kid. :wink:



Yep. F*&#%$#^N Amazing! :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:58 pm 
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GodisNavyBlue wrote:
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Assuming Robbo is okay only two changes:

Warnock for Bower
Robbo for Dale

Casboult in the fwd 50, 206 90% ruck duty

Possibly Armfield as sub


I highly doubt that Knockers has the tank to run 90%.


OK lets say he gets 5-8 min chop-out each qtr - whatever the splits are, with Levi in, it means we have some halfway decent structure up forward



The problem hasn't been with which tall is playing forward.
The problem in general has been the indirect and speed ( or lack of speed ) which we have been going forward.
When we tend to attack directly down the middle and fast and not go defensively to the pocket in a less that convincing manner we do well.
If we have our personnel structured to they ability and specific role we look very dangerous.
Then we only have our goal kicking to worry about :roll:, but the straighter you shoot from the higher chance of success. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:56 am 
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Ok Bryce Gibbs.. Kerr... Thornton... Bower... Russell .... Hampson...Garlett...Murphy...Kreuzer...etc have been average cos of injuries to others???

Who is 'etc' you referred to. What number does he wear? How has he been average? What does he need to improve? In what way has he contributed to your trying to prove a point?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:15 am 
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"Mitch will do some work today, so we'll see after that whether he plays."


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"We'll test Zach and Kreuz today. At this stage, Kreuz is looking like he'll play, but we'll see how he pulls up."


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"Lachie is hugely important to the back line. 2002 was the last time we had a season this bad in terms of injuries."


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"I thought last week's second half was a step in the right direction."


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"I hope that Jarrad will play in the VFL this week. He was a bit tight in the back last week, so we took the conservative approach."


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"Cloke is a very good player and most teams would like him in their forward line... But you'd have to ask Andrew McKay and Greg Swann."


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:15 am 
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Took another stab at a preview, nothing on tv so here goes
[youtube]KzDW3ReDOd4[/youtube]

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:31 am 
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..bloody hell, there's absolutely no reason to even test Krooz.. ..Tigers only have the Mullet, and he's buggered now too after carrying their ruck all season.. ..Knockers is fresh, and is meant to actually have a decent engine so he could ruck for the majority..

..also, it amazes me that they still believe Hendo is vital for the backline.. ..and we keep on banging about a need to 'find' a KPF.. ..yanno, that Cloke is an amazing KPF, his only problem is his goal kicking, cos his field kicking is usually better.. ..yanno, he'd make a great CHB.. ..you'll see..

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:32 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..bloody hell, there's absolutely no reason to even test Krooz.. ..Tigers only have the Mullet, and he's buggered now too after carrying their ruck all season.. ..Knockers is fresh, and is meant to actually have a decent engine so he could ruck for the majority..

..also, it amazes me that they still believe Hendo is vital for the backline.. ..and we keep on banging about a need to 'find' a KPF.. ..yanno, that Cloke is an amazing KPF, his only problem is his goal kicking, cos his field kicking is usually better.. ..yanno, he'd make a great CHB.. ..you'll see..


Exactly! :clap:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:46 am 
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The only reason I'd show any interest in Cloke is to push up his cost to the Filth. No way I would want our salary cap stuffed up for that muppet and the rest of the baggage he brings.

Back on topic, cannot believe Kreuzer is even being mentioned as a possibility. He needs to be properly looked after and there is no reason why knockers cannot manage the bulk of the ruck duties

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:53 am 
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They only reason they'd be playing Kreuzer is if they're shopping him for an end of season trade. Surely, that's the only reason?!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:05 am 
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Totally agree BKB! :clap:
Let Krooz rest a little longer to make sure he improves 100%. We have 206 available this week, he can ruck for the majority of the game and big Levi can play up forward and provide ruck relief when required. He can play the Leigh Brown role this week

I think that this type of ruck combination is probably the best to pursue anyway as it allows the team to maximise the number of running players you can bring into the team and really a forward cum ruckmen is a better choice than a ruckman cum forward who more often than not, tend to be ineffective in attack

Please Ratts and MC, let 206 and Levi be the combo this week. No point risking Krooz. The season is shot

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:22 am 
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Keep hearing Levi won't be ready this week. Pulled up lame


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:33 am 
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In that case, play Krooz! :yikes:

Nah, let 206 go at it the whole game

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:26 pm 
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mikeychook wrote:
bondiblue wrote:


Bower Russell Curnow are expendable, as are Bell, McInness, Casboult and Dale



McInness is rapidly becoming far from expendable.


What I meant was at the selection table they would be the ones considered for ommission for someone else.

I was really excited to draft McInness because he just never lost a one on one in the TAC. Solid and smart. BP= quiet achiever.
And I'm a big fan of Bells...from day dot...I like the body shape, the courage and the speed.

I hope the 3 new ones are given a chance against the Tiggers, Tuggers whatever they are.

I want to win against the Tiggers and Bumbers at the very least...and I do not want to lose against the GC.
If we could knock out the Saints from the finals race in round 23...that would be fun too.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:45 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..bloody hell, there's absolutely no reason to even test Krooz.. ..Tigers only have the Mullet, and he's buggered now too after carrying their ruck all season.. ..Knockers is fresh, and is meant to actually have a decent engine so he could ruck for the majority..

..also, it amazes me that they still believe Hendo is vital for the backline.. ..and we keep on banging about a need to 'find' a KPF.. ..yanno, that Cloke is an amazing KPF, his only problem is his goal kicking, cos his field kicking is usually better.. ..yanno, he'd make a great CHB.. ..you'll see..


Agree with everything here. Why do we need to play Kreuzer? Why is Henderson so important to the backline when we have Jammo and Watson there, especially when we need KP forwards. I was all for it last year when it was needed, now Hendo can play forward again.....next year.

If they dropped Casboult to play both ruckmen, leaving us with no KP forward, this place with scream, and rightly so.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:55 pm 
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Sounds like only one ruckman will be played.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... dium=email


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:21 pm 
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jim wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..bloody hell, there's absolutely no reason to even test Krooz.. ..Tigers only have the Mullet, and he's buggered now too after carrying their ruck all season.. ..Knockers is fresh, and is meant to actually have a decent engine so he could ruck for the majority..

..also, it amazes me that they still believe Hendo is vital for the backline.. ..and we keep on banging about a need to 'find' a KPF.. ..yanno, that Cloke is an amazing KPF, his only problem is his goal kicking, cos his field kicking is usually better.. ..yanno, he'd make a great CHB.. ..you'll see..


Agree with everything here. Why do we need to play Kreuzer? Why is Henderson so important to the backline when we have Jammo and Watson there, especially when we need KP forwards. I was all for it last year when it was needed, now Hendo can play forward again.....next year.

If they dropped Casboult to play both ruckmen, leaving us with no KP forward, this place with scream, and rightly so.


Like Waite , Jamo cannot be relied on. We need to make plans that involve their involvement being a bonus. Henderson is important to our backline. He is our best defender. He is also our best KPF outside of Waite who never plays. No need to get your knickers in a knot over comments made in a presser.


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Key Blues Matthew Kreuzer, Mitch Robinson and Zach Tuohy are far from automatic recalls into Carlton's team for Saturday night's last-chance dance against Richmond at the MCG.

All three players missed last week's win over the Western Bulldogs with injuries and are yet to convince the coaching staff they will be fit to play against the Tigers, in a game that could keep the Blues in the hunt for finals, or all but extinguish their fading September hopes.

Ratten said the trio needed to prove themselves in today's main training session, but was less than confident when asked about their chances.

"Robbo will do some work today, just depending on how he goes, and Matthew will be an assess-after-training (case)," Ratten said before today's session at Visy Park.

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"Zach did some work on Monday, so today is pretty important for him. Monday was pretty light, 15-20 minutes all about skill, whereas today will be a little bit more dynamic and see how he responds," he said.

"Some of these niggles and things are pretty much a session-by-session assessment, not game-by-game, to see how they've gone, how they've pulled up and can we push on?"

Ratten said Kreuzer (hip) was more "likely than unlikely" but added "when I say that it usually goes the other way", while Robinson (calf) and Tuohy (back) could both be significant inclusions into the team that steamrolled the out-of-form Dogs in the second half last Saturday night.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:16 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..bloody hell, there's absolutely no reason to even test Krooz.. ..Tigers only have the Mullet, and he's buggered now too after carrying their ruck all season.. ..Knockers is fresh, and is meant to actually have a decent engine so he could ruck for the majority..

..also, it amazes me that they still believe Hendo is vital for the backline.. ..and we keep on banging about a need to 'find' a KPF.. ..yanno, that Cloke is an amazing KPF, his only problem is his goal kicking, cos his field kicking is usually better.. ..yanno, he'd make a great CHB.. ..you'll see..


Exactly! :clap:


And he has the "angry gene".

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:47 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Keep hearing Levi won't be ready this week. Pulled up lame


Mitchell then perhaps?
- Last week Ratten suggested he might have been close but for not being able to play him in the development league the week prior
- Kicked 4 in the ants last week
- Will be more of a forward presence than kreuzer/warnock are likely to be


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:15 pm 
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listened to a bit of the presser today

apparently we've been putting a lot of focus into our injury stats this week

a LOT of focus...............on injuries


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