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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:29 pm 
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105 kilos with a knee we havent got right in 2 and a half years and we send him out to play....

Thats Cooney territory right there!!!

Ligaments and cartilage... get ground down and they are no longer what they used to be...

yes ???

no???

maybe???

Whats the guess bit in that???


knee injury in itself means the ligament and the cartilage are not what they used to be already.

Ever seen Dean Rice walk lately cimm???

Ever spoken to him about knees???


No, what has Dr Rice got to say about the two knee reco's he had at St Kilda!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:30 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
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No. It's a fact. Unfortunately the source can't be revealed and that makes it hard.


Ahhhhhh.

Well check mate then.

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So, just out of interest. At what point is the condition currently? Is it as bad as Cooney's this year, last year, 3 years ago, his Brownlow year?

Those questions can be answered without giving up the source? Yes?


No idea. I just know he has chronic hip and knee issues which were diagnosed at under 18 level. Unfortunate but true.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:31 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
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No. It's a fact. Unfortunately the source can't be revealed and that makes it hard.


Ahhhhhh.

Well check mate then.

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So, just out of interest. At what point is the condition currently? Is it as bad as Cooney's this year, last year, 3 years ago, his Brownlow year?

Those questions can be answered without giving up the source? Yes?



Listen here cimm.

an ACL reco is around 10% unsuccesful.
Even the others dont ever get back to what they had prior....

In case you misisng it... its 2 and a half years and hes not right....... so why would u play him ... when he is falling away... mentally and physically...????

eh???

Answer that!!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:33 pm 
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kreuzer thread?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:34 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
kreuzer thread?


Sorry gro thought this was the Ratten hater thread. :yikes:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:35 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
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105 kilos with a knee we havent got right in 2 and a half years and we send him out to play....

Thats Cooney territory right there!!!

Ligaments and cartilage... get ground down and they are no longer what they used to be...

yes ???

no???

maybe???

Whats the guess bit in that???


knee injury in itself means the ligament and the cartilage are not what they used to be already.

Ever seen Dean Rice walk lately cimm???

Ever spoken to him about knees???


No, what has Dr Rice got to say about the two knee reco's he had at St Kilda!



Dr Rice is not on hs own.. re ACL ops.

Alot of people never have the best endings after ACL.

Some get back better than others.


Technology is better.... but Brad fisher was a different player after a Medial than before.. let alone an ACL.


Im saying there is no point to playing him AND two other ruckmen...at the same time cos youre flirting with his health.

Yes?
No???

Thats just common sense......

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I reckon there would have been weeks this year if we rested and not played everyone who wasnt 100% we would have been flat out fielding a side

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:36 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:37 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
I reckon there would have been weeks this year if we rested and not played everyone who wasnt 100% we would have been flat out fielding a side

I reckon youre flat out wrong!!!!

Regardless ... 3 ruckmen .... and Kreuzer and his struggling health.... didnt have to be.

Bower and TBird could have played and we could have gone with 2 ruckmen.....

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:39 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
I reckon there would have been weeks this year if we rested and not played everyone who wasnt 100% we would have been flat out fielding a side


I think your missing the point.

This is not about players being 100% fit it's about not hurting players further, reducing their careers and getting the best out of them.

Specifically we are discussing chronic injuries that will only get worse. Kruezer like Henderson needs to have the right treatment and recovery to hopefully get the best out of them.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:41 pm 
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Cimm let me get this straight....

i think oure telling us its ok for a guy to take more than two years to recover from his k nee reconstruction and even if not fit.. its ok for him to recover on the footy field...week in week out slogs the way he plays...

Thats it right???

Cos are u arguing for the hell of it.. or is that what you believe???

Or do u believe he is ok..... but just shit!!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:43 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Cimm let me get this straight....

i think oure telling us its ok for a guy to take more than two years to recover from his k nee reconstruction and even if not fit.. its ok for him to recover on the footy field...week in week out slogs the way he plays...

Thats it right???

Cos are u arguing for the hell of it.. or is that what you believe???

Or do u believe he is ok..... but just shit!!!!



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:47 pm 
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Who is to say that Kreuzer post knee reco will be any better than what we've seen this year?
How do you know he is going to recuperate back to 100% fitness?
Maybe, like Cooney, it will be with him for the rest of his career.
So what do you do, sit him in the stands for the rest of his career?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:48 pm 
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Blue Boys wrote:
Who is to say that Kreuzer post knee reco will be any better than what we've seen this year?
How do you know he is going to recuperate back to 100% fitness?
Maybe, like Cooney, it will be with him for the rest of his career.
So what do you do, sit him in the stands for the rest of his career?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:50 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
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Cimm let me get this straight....

i think oure telling us its ok for a guy to take more than two years to recover from his k nee reconstruction and even if not fit.. its ok for him to recover on the footy field...week in week out slogs the way he plays...

Thats it right???

Cos are u arguing for the hell of it.. or is that what you believe???

Or do u believe he is ok..... but just shit!!!!



Game Set Match! :lol:


Ah no Synbad and the Cheerleader,

I'm saying that there is a long way between Kreuzers poor form and him being Adam Cooney.

But you and Robin want to make out that it's FACT when it is nowhere near it because it suits your purpose.

I had this argument with the sidekick yesterday, it's just blatant deception.

It does your cause no good.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:53 pm 
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Cimm enough with deflects.

How does Kreuzer look physically and mentally???

just answer the question... 2 and a half years after his knee reco... how is he looking??

Like a guy you must play every week???

Just answer me that!!!.. and just stop the smoke and mirrors... :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:57 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Cimm enough with deflects.

How does Kreuzer look physically and mentally???

just answer the question... 2 and a half years after his knee reco... how is he looking??

Like a guy you must play every week???

Just answer me that!!!.. and just stop the smoke and mirrors... :lol:


He looks tired and worn out and in need of a rest.

Just like last year.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:01 pm 
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Cimm let me make this easy for you.. some people need it simplified.

Is Kreuzer a must have out in the middle at the moment.. considering his output and his physical and mental problems

he might have op for all i know.. but I KNOW his knee isnt right..... and hasnt been all year....

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:02 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
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Cimm enough with deflects.

How does Kreuzer look physically and mentally???

just answer the question... 2 and a half years after his knee reco... how is he looking??

Like a guy you must play every week???

Just answer me that!!!.. and just stop the smoke and mirrors... :lol:


He looks tired and worn out and in need of a rest.

Just like last year.



Last year he only played maybe 7 or 8 games.. and then he couldnt feel his foot.. WTF are you talking about??? :screwy:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:04 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Cimm let me make this easy for you.. some people need it simplified.

Is Kreuzer a must have out in the middle at the moment.. considering his output and his physical and mental problems

he might have op for all i know.. but I KNOW his knee isnt right..... and hasnt been all year....


And let me simplify it for you Synners.

a) Tired, sore and poor form does not mean Adam Cooney Knees.
b) Players play sore A LOT.
c) you can't lay all blame at the alter of your favourite god.

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