If you're going to make ridiculous accusations please back them up.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Again, you've chosen to ignore the arguments in both posts because it doesn't suit the agenda.

It's a deception Psych, plain and simple.

A deception that suits your purpose is good, but one that doesn't is bad.

Get it.

You support the spreading of untruths if they serve a purpose.

That's quality.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

I am sorry CIMM I'm really trying to understand your point and your criticism but I can't see the point your making.

Maybe Im just not that bright.

As I said if you don't like my opinion don't read it.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

That's the point, I don't have to.

See, I've now got an agenda. Just like you and Synbad.

I can just dribble any old tosh or agree with any dodgy cause and effect belief because it sounds credible. It suits my purpose.

GET IT NOW?

Synbad, does this sh1t 10 times a day.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Twice the distance from the middle to either end..... Sorry couldnt resist...

I have!

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

I dont agree but if thats your opinion, don't read it! Its obviously not doing you any good.

Sorry Wojee, one last comment.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Ratts, Sticks, & anyone who has ever posted on this forum are all SHIT

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#DonTheStash

oi cry babies Shut up!

Sorry CJ but because you start with the assumption that ruckmen are not import, do you assume we don't need one to replace an injured single ruckman, or are you suggesting one strong ruckman doesn't get injured.

Like I said before we picked Jacobs, Kreuzer, Warnock and Hampson, I never ever ever want to see our list with less than 3 ruckmen, with two selected to play AFL standard, and prefer them to be mobile.

We've been there before with one ruckman....and I wasn't a big fan, but glad we had him (French) because when he was injured we had Prendergast (who I liked as a wingman) and Merrington (who I liked as an U18).

1 ruckman on the list....no thanks...and please never let that happen.
What's wrong with the Cox-Nic Nat combo?
Should WCE drop 1 in your opinion?

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

Maybe my comments need better explaining. It all revolves around good list management.

IMO I would never waste early picks on ruckman. You only ever need ONE in the side and by that I mean a pure ruckman.

IMO the best sides need a NUMBER of class midfielders, they are what wins matches.

Ideally a list should have 3 Pure Ruckman on its senior list and a back up as a rookie. Also, most ruckman mature later and some of the best have not been identified at draft time. Cox, Sandilands, Jacobs etc.

My comments before focus on the example of getting Cotchin and keeping Jacobs. Would we be better as a list? If we had recruited a young mid instead of Warnock and/or Hampson?

Maybe we could of then recruited a Giles, Seaby, Stephenson cheaply as back ups to Jacobs?

I can tell you that this, recruiters are divided on this theory. Some swear by it some go with best available player.

My opinion is the first one.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

I see where you are coming from.

I tell you what though. The year before Kreuzer was eligible to draft he was seen as the obvious No 1...not Cotchin.
Kreuzer was the worthy No 1....remember the Kreuzer Cup? Good reason. He wasn't just a vanilla ruckman.
In his first 3 years, he looked the goods over Cotchin. Unfair to Cotchin was that he was injured. Now that Kreuzer has been injured or carrying injuries and Cotchin is good to go...Cotchin looks the goods.

Kreuzer will be back fit and raring to go. Maybe he isn't a No 1 ruckman.

I agree we don't have to pay overs to get rucks on the list but we should have them on the list...at least 3, with 2 bonafide ruckmen ready to play every week.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

I remember wanting Cotchin and getting criticised badly for it. In the end its done but I hope that we learn from it.

We now have three PURE ruckman on our list. IMO we should look at trading one for the right deal.

List Management is a key. I believe we have some talent but we fall away badly and lack depth.

The benefits of adding another gun mid to the list is huge. It creates problems for the opposition and takes pressure off the others. Add one or two quality mids to Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Carazzo and it makes a huge difference.

Lets say you could trade Hampson for Caddy? Would that improve our list? IMO heaps.

With some smart recruiting and trades we could easily be right up there in 2013!

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Could not agree more. We may need to replace one of these current rucks with an up and coming ruck rookie (ala Jacobs a few years back) but we simply need to roll the dice and swap one of our current rucks for another quality mid

I was concerned at the start of the year that our midfield brigade didn't bat deep enough and those concerns have been proven through the year. In fact I am more concerned about the midfield than our tall stocks at present. Its a shame those in charge have taken so long to get us to improve and have failed to make the most of having Judd at the club

Murphy too is now 25! FMD that come up quick and he is now in his prime

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C'mon Blueboys!

If we weren't going to get Kreuzer then I would've get Kennedy instead of getting Cotchin and let the Eagles have picks 1, 3 and 20.

Which ruckmen did we have on our list when we selected Kreuzer back in the 07 draft?

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Essendon-Only team to have ever been found guilty of salary cap breaches in a premiership year!

I think the highlighted word is the salient point here - very short on this with our recent trading history.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Hampson in his formative stages, we may rookied Jacobs at that stage, and he wasn't showing alot early either way. Hence we got Kreuzer. While Jacobs was still struggling in the rookie list, Hampson not looking like he was going that well, Kreuzer still a kid we traded for Warnock. In the end it was one aspect we developed well and we ended with with 4 gun ruckmen.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Good context here. Need to take timeline etc. into account. We were in real strife in this area and everybody knew he was good on the ball too. So the issue is: was it smart to recruit Warnock? Probably not, but they wanted a more experienced player as Jacobs and Kreuzer were very young Hampson a "project".

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.