Why are people insinuating that an "agenda" is negative?

I have an agenda. The success of the Carlton Football Club. For it to be the best, for it to be the leader in all regards.

That's my agenda. I certainly don't shy away from it.

If you don't like it or don't agree that is fine but instead of dropping in with snide remarks how about backing it up with logic, opinion and reasoning.

This is after all a forum for people to lend their opinions.

I'm am sure you will find I have extended a similar courtesy.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Yes it is a great post....

But of course if we look at this nice win and the new guys... we wonder why other guys wernt being played?

Why guys are low on confidence.?
Why Gibbs is just a tagger?
How he was used as a tagger again ...and to no real benefit for the team.

Harker watched VFL... what have some guys done in the VFL to warrant games and others havent? Kerr for instance...

And i think its all tied in to this game and any other game.

I cant talk about agame in isolation... cos every game is played within a greater context.

Jameieson played but is he fit?
Why is he being played???
Kreuzer was rested this week when we have no ruckmen...but he wasnt rested when we had THREE ruckmen....

Its a butterfly effect... for me.

Winning against the Doggies was great!!!.. i didnt expect it....but so what???

My whole focus in the club relies on one quarter of footy against the Dogs?
What happened the first 3 /4 s???

It really is about a big picture...!!!....

Quarters within a game.. and then a game.. and then games within a season have a flow on effect...

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Agreed.

All aboard!

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Its funny isnt it???



Somehow if people voice their opinion for a regime change.... they have an agenda and should shut up... or not voice it,,,

I think thats what any great civilisation prides itself on......

Anyone who goes against the grain is some kind of feral with an agenda....

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Psych,
Discussion is one thing.

Agenda might include repetition to an unbearable level.

sort of like yelling louder at someone who speaks a foreign language.

Posters might agree with your points to varying degrees.

The squabbling is something you might see as reasoned. I found it disrespectful to Cazz, and like you were suggesting that your opinion on recruiting is bigger and better than Cazz's.

Others will be annoyed at other things. Doesn't mean we are all pro current regime, doesn't mean we aren't. That wasn't the point. But only from how I was reading it.

different language interpretation. No need to yell louder.

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Nice analogy - one I can personally relate to

I watched the game live, and then the next day I watched the second half again just to enjoy watching the new guys have a crack... and Eddie kick a couple of beauties... and Levi smash a couple of packs.

So I definitely enjoyed the win. But that doesn't mean I don't contextualise it, and see it for what it was within the bigger picture. We won, but our list management is still poor, Ratts is still a second rate coach, the club still won't play finals this year, and we're still a long way behind the clubs that are challenging for Premierships.

This year is shot, and clearly the only things of significance left to ponder are the structural changes that will get us (as a club) to the top echelon of the competition.

I saw the win for myself, and enjoyed it in the moment for what it was. But I don't know why I'd be on here 3 days later still talking about Bell's huge tackle (snigger snigger) or Levi's efforts... Sydney and Hawthorn and Adelaide and West Coast supporters can and should live in the moment, because every game means something to them: they're in Premiership mode.

What was so significant about Saturday night's game (12th vs close to bottom) that means putting it into a broader context 3 days later is being negative or agenda-driven?

When you're discussing all things season 2012, the big picture is everything now, because season 2012 is the year we found out that we're just not good enough.

That's a very, very, very big deal for me. And one that defines the way I see the club for the rest of the year.

Apologies in advance, to those who just want the board to be about each-game-as-it-comes.

Nah just pissed off with more than a decade of shit!!!!!

Some people like it santised.... thats all!!!!

Castrate the dog cos it barks...!!!
Build bigger fences so our private space can be just private...
... call the police when the kids are playing on the street....
Get annoyed if people are talking in a foreign language on the train...
Complain about those complaining for change.....

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And thats where the problem could easily be and is typical of a forum

Your perspective and slant shows one side. Maybe thats the way you are looking at it?

Where have I said my opinion is better than Cazz's and why is it disrespectful? I have made my point, actually if you read the posts, mine have been directed at the topic where his have have been sometimes personally at me.

In a lot of ways your argument doesn't make sense to me. You think I'm "yelling", I don't. Thats your perspective.

Its very simple, if you don't like what I write don't read it. If you disagree, make your point but don't accuse me of disrespecting someone. Never have I used names or personal criticism.

Maybe some people should take the time to read and look at comments from the other perspective before replying.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

What gets me is you come in to the 'WBD vs Carlton (Post-match discussion)' thread and all you read about is our recruiting failures and how $hit of a coach ratts is. Aren't there threads setup for these topics of discussion? I think some are just annoyed that there are actually some positives to take away from the game.

Because Psych, IT's LYING.

For example a certain well known agenda pusher has made the following statemnets (paraphrased)

"Watson is a hack and will not make it". This "opinion" is given as an example of failures of either or all of a) Ratts as a coach/listmanager/developer of talent or b) Sticks is an imbecile and should be sacked.

Unfortunately, for the poster, Watson's proving to be a much better footballer than the person who made the "hack" observation is an identifier of talent.

The same poster made this statement also (paraphrasing) "Tom Bell is fat and useless and his body shape will not allow him to be an AFL player" this "opinion" again is again used to ridicule the coaching staff and Sticks.

That's just two examples.

The problem with barrow pushers is that, when these "opinions" are shown to be not only incorrect but also used as the basis for a false premise (and just stupid), the agenda boob's make no attempt to acknowledge their deliberate attempt to mislead others with their spurious arguments.

So defend this tactic anyway you like Psych, but ultimately it weakens your standing as a poster who we should take any notice of.

Not that I've taken much notice of anything you've posted since you said Joe Anderson is a future captain of the club.

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I think that the point one or two are trying to make here is that every thread of every forum is being hijacked and turned into a recruiting/systems/coaching deficiency thread. This IS after all the post match thread and some of us, maybe even most of us are pretty happy with the win, even though in the big picture it is pretty meaningless. I liked the post which talked about someone's 8yo cheering as though we'd won the flag. That kid isn't worried about whom we recruited. Neither is his dad just for today. He wanted to share that little moment in his life with us all after the game but as usual, some people just can't leave the campaign for change alone and here we are talking about something not related to the actual game.. Everybody is entitled to his opinion and that's what I like about TC but at the same time, reading about it every day on every thread just isn't in the spirit of an open forum IMHO.

This post isn't about the game either. I apologize for that but wanted to express my support for those who are getting sick of squabbles between three or four people that take up page after page. I logged on to mention I had just watched the replay and was pretty impressed with the effort of some of the lesser lights. For all the filibustering about change, season over and so on, the calls for most of us to play a few kids and see how they go was answered in part last night. We played kids. They didn't disgrace themselves or the club (or us so far removed from it) and we won. The result is that we can statistically still make the finals for what will almost certainly be an early exit unless we have some Lazarus-like recoveries en masse.. Just let us enjoy it and take your pro-change/anti-recruitment posts to the thread where they are most suited, whatever that be. Please.

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Look most of it is in a reasonable context.....
Everything is woven together like a Persian rug.

You cannot bring a game in with the topic not changing course.

Its ridiculous to believe that it is possible.

Players have been recruited... some are good some are underperforming.. thats why they played.
Tactics are used prior to half time and after half time.
Attitudes from players flux and flow... as does skill....

Its all tied in to everything else thats happened before...

Just like when u see a doctor about heart disease... he asks u about your family history... or what you eat.. your lifestyle etc.

Bothing can be seen in isolation.

Im amazed people can wanna read about the Doggies win over and over again and be upset when the topic brings in different dimmesnions.....

IT WASNT A MARVELOUS WIN!!!.. IT WAS ONE OF THE WORST HALVES OF FOOTY I HAVE EVER WATCHED.. first half...in particular...
The crowd was very low... maybe our lowest in Melbourne for years... there is a reason for this....
arent you interested in what else is going on ?????

Nah... u wanna bask in that game... cos youre not used to basking at anything much... so this is nice....!!!
And God help anyone who casts a shadow over that very enjoyable saturday night .......

Theyre our expectations these days..


Thats where were at!!!

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Is that an issue? Why would anyone worry about what anyone would think on a website?

Think of me what you want. its not an issue, really.


PS..... as for joey Anderson, yes I was a huge supporter of his but I can't recall saying he would be Captain, but I could be wrong and it certainly wouldn't be the first time.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Guys you're making this more complicated than need be.

If you don't like the posts or the people DONT READ THEM! Simple.

I have a number of people on the foes list. Makes it a lot easier.

If you want to debate the issue, debate it. Simple.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

QED

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Once!

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

So why are there multiple threads in this forum? There all about Carlton, surely they’re all related and they should all just be merged into the one.

I think the club has made some big mistake with their recruitment over the years.

I don’t think Ratts has the makings of a successful coach.

But they’re topics which I will discuss in other threads. I come to this thread because I like to read/discuss about the actual match.

And that sums it up nicely Psych.

You will say anything, bend any truth, tell any lie, compromise any belief, trash any reputation and deceive to further your cause.

It's why you got booted off CSC isn't it, telling porkies? or was it threatening someone.?

I'm sure there's a clinical determination for what your doing, maybe you should check yourself out or in.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Hmmmmm. You brought up LYING.

Was I kicked off CSC? When? What for?

I seriously think your looking for more than is there. You're angry and you've picked a target. Go for it.

As I said I really don't care but please don't start just making things up to try and make a point.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015