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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:32 pm 
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club 29 ... Gibbs is currently no better than anyone around player 15 on our list.. cos he has been doing what other clubs do with their player 15 plus on their list....

:lol:

So thats it???

thats what gibbs is.. a tagger!!!!

Youre the man club!!!

and no im not putting words in anyones mouth... i wanna know what Brad thinks.. im assuming he thinks Ratten is the right man for next year.. same as i assume you beieve he is.... cos if we say hes not you make excuses up for him.

you cant all have it both ways bud... no sitting on the fence and throwing eggs at those who have an opinion on the matter.

So what is it for you???

Is Ratten the best c oach we can have for this footy club going forward or not??

Stick em out mate!!!Lets see what you have...!!!.. cos some pussies here... try to kick the balls in off people who have an opinion without having one themselves...

Youre one..!!!

So cmon.. lets see what you have by sticking them out ...

same with brad... if i have him wrong.... he can tell us what if Ratts should be there next year or not...

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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:54 pm 
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Pros: absolutely atrocious coaching in first half didn't cost us the game.
Individual brilliance won us the game eg Yarran, Betts
Great effort from debutants (I fear for their development)
- Bell huge frame and not afraid to throw it around (and huge tank apparently?)
- Levi nice mark, looks Johnathon Brown-like (potential is there)
- Frazer nice kick !

Nice to see Collins effort, best game at Blues?
Thornton smashed into in the ruck repeatedly still put in a have decent effort.
Eddie B outstanding effort and great game, work rate immense.
Great win and great effort in second half.
Sister's finance supports Bulldogs!

Cons: absolutely atrocious coaching in first half is likely to cost us the game against any decent team.
Individual brilliance is unlikely to win us the game against any decent team.
Some individuals time at the Blues is coming to a close, sad but necessary.


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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:06 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
club 29 ... Gibbs is currently no better than anyone around player 15 on our list.. cos he has been doing what other clubs do with their player 15 plus on their list....

:lol:

So thats it???

thats what gibbs is.. a tagger!!!! Of course not. He is a defender who can play both tall and small. He is a handy forward. He is a good runwith player who wins enough of his own ball to not be classed as tagger (see aj or picken).

Youre the man club!!! Thankyou

and no im not putting words in anyones mouth... i wanna know what Brad thinks.. im assuming he thinks Ratten is the right man for next year.. same as i assume you beieve he is.... cos if we say hes not you make excuses up for him. You always put words in peoples mouths. Its part of your online persona's MO. People dont say half the things you think they say.

you cant all have it both ways bud... no sitting on the fence and throwing eggs at those who have an opinion on the matter. What?

So what is it for you???

Is Ratten the best c oach we can have for this footy club going forward or not??

Stick em out mate!!!Lets see what you have...!!!.. cos some pussies here... try to kick the balls in off people who have an opinion without having one themselves... What are you on about?

Youre one..!!! A pussy?

So cmon.. lets see what you have by sticking them out ...

same with brad... if i have him wrong.... he can tell us what if Ratts should be there next year or not...



I think Ratts has had long enough and its time for someone else to have a turn unless he nails the rest of the season and we make the 8. Then a prelim.
However, I am not going to come on here making stuff up just to nail him further. The results of the games will be enough. Coming on here after a game pointing out things that didnt come off when the move itself had merit in my opinion is a bit laughable. Calling the coach diabolical when the player doesnt play well. Don't tell me Gibbs isnt good enough to handle Griffen. He played poorly on him and let the team down. He will be down about that. If he isnt then he is a disappointing no1 pick.
Going on about moving Henda going back as the reason we lost against north and stuff like that is stupid. Think it through.

People dont have to bash Ratts the results will do the trick.

A nice discussion about why we can't get numbers to contests the way other teams do would be great. I chat about why are so defensively poor around stoppages would be interesting. Why our press is week? Is it timing of our entries?
Statistically going to Betts is quite effective but is it worth persisting with when we know such tactics wont stand up in big games.
What can Ratts do about all this to perform a miracle turn around?

Pro:- Getting games into some good young players.
Gibbs and Murphy's last quarter

Con:- Skills in the first half.


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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:11 pm 
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Its actually not bashing. If you read most of the posts there is reasoning behind it. The issue may well be that there is a such a large pile of evidence that is being put forward that it is overwhelming.

You ask some interesting questions but the answers always come back to the one answer and when your as bad as we are it will centre around the coach

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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:29 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Its actually not bashing. If you read most of the posts there is reasoning behind it. The issue may well be that there is a such a large pile of evidence that is being put forward that it is overwhelming.

You ask some interesting questions but the answers always come back to the one answer and when your as bad as we are it will centre around the coach


Effort and Ratts being unable to get it out of the players regularly?

The players being flaky? Ratts put the list together. Buck stops with him.

Does Ratts stick with trying to get them to play the gameplan well enough to win game after game or does he swap it up and pull the press back? Change the area on the ground where we would prefer us to take get the ball back therefore we are more defensively compact and have more room in front of us to attack effectively. I feel he is already tinkering with that.


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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:45 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
club, when you're obsessed with getting rid of the coach, its not enough to discuss the things he's responsible for, you have to look at everything as a reason to shitcan the coach.

Ok so youre for keeping Ratten another year minimum.. ok good to know..
glad to see some people rate him as a great coach for us...

Good stUFF!!1

You do!!!... nice...

thats the thing about footy.. we get all sides... and we do know some people rate Ratts as a great coach to take us forward.. :thumbsup:



You sir, are a flog! :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:55 pm 
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Itchy Eyeballs wrote:
Synbad wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
club, when you're obsessed with getting rid of the coach, its not enough to discuss the things he's responsible for, you have to look at everything as a reason to shitcan the coach.

Ok so youre for keeping Ratten another year minimum.. ok good to know..
glad to see some people rate him as a great coach for us...

Good stUFF!!1

You do!!!... nice...

thats the thing about footy.. we get all sides... and we do know some people rate Ratts as a great coach to take us forward.. :thumbsup:



You sir, are a flog! :roll:


Scarponis back in disguise!!!!!! :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:01 pm 
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Pre game Smorgon was taking the p1ss out of the Blues.

He also took the p1ss out of Sticks suggesting he wouldn't know what "panache" meant.

Board were shagged that Dogs thought they were a chance - even with all of our "outs". Pre- game expectation from within was we would smash them. Board not happy to be in same expectation zone as Dogs.

Post game view was at best the young guys did well. Despite good comeback win team we failed to deliver what was expected and board know it.

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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:38 pm 
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Pro- Spent a very relaxing weekend away. No comms or media to outside world. Wonderful

Con- Misssed the game, only got result when I logged on tonight.

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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:39 pm 
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
Pre game Smorgon was taking the p1ss out of the Blues.

He also took the p1ss out of Sticks suggesting he wouldn't know what "panache" meant.

Board were shagged that Dogs thought they were a chance - even with all of our "outs". Pre- game expectation from within was we would smash them. Board not happy to be in same expectation zone as Dogs.

Post game view was at best the young guys did well. Despite good comeback win team we failed to deliver what was expected and board know it.




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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:04 am 
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
Pre game Smorgon was taking the p1ss out of the Blues.

He also took the p1ss out of Sticks suggesting he wouldn't know what "panache" meant.

Board were shagged that Dogs thought they were a chance - even with all of our "outs". Pre- game expectation from within was we would smash them. Board not happy to be in same expectation zone as Dogs.

Post game view was at best the young guys did well. Despite good comeback win team we failed to deliver what was expected and board know it.


Begs the obvious question, where have the board been all year?

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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:36 am 
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Itchy Eyeballs wrote:
Synbad wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
club, when you're obsessed with getting rid of the coach, its not enough to discuss the things he's responsible for, you have to look at everything as a reason to shitcan the coach.

Ok so youre for keeping Ratten another year minimum.. ok good to know..
glad to see some people rate him as a great coach for us...

Good stUFF!!1

You do!!!... nice...

thats the thing about footy.. we get all sides... and we do know some people rate Ratts as a great coach to take us forward.. :thumbsup:



You sir, are a flog! :roll:



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May use this as an example of how we would use the formal 'you' in English if we had one? I usually use the example,
you, sir, are no gentleman' but it is getting a bit jaded.

This may be deemed a modern example.

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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:52 am 
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Bells tackles, yarrans runs, collins goals, casbaults marks - they are all here!

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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:09 am 
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nah just a footy show fan and a groupie of sam...

"you sir... blah blah blah"

:screwy:

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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:37 am 
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Pro: Tom Bell - Queenslander!
























Con: Adam Scott - Queenslander!

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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:07 am 
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
Pre game Smorgon was taking the p1ss out of the Blues.

He also took the p1ss out of Sticks suggesting he wouldn't know what "panache" meant.

Board were shagged that Dogs thought they were a chance - even with all of our "outs". Pre- game expectation from within was we would smash them. Board not happy to be in same expectation zone as Dogs.Post game view was at best the young guys did well. Despite good comeback win team we failed to deliver what was expected and board know it.


We are Carlton f#$% the rest ! The ol swagger is back. How dare we be compared to the dogs even with our reserve team !


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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:27 pm 
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Gerry Atric wrote "Watson - hard to reconcile Ants watchers views with his performance. Has slotted in nicely. Using body well, good hands and will learn to use his big boot as a weapon."
I am one but there is no doubt he has improved month on month this season. Early in the season at VFL he couldn't get a body on his opponent and was misreading the ball coming in. He has really improved these two things. Other knocks on him were slow and large turning circle and really limited below his knees (= athleticism): I guess the fact we are not noticing this as much is evidence of his development in this area.
Sounds suspiciously like we might have a potential development success story for 2012?


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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
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BigGartos wrote:
Gerry Atric wrote "Watson - hard to reconcile Ants watchers views with his performance. Has slotted in nicely. Using body well, good hands and will learn to use his big boot as a weapon."
I am one but there is no doubt he has improved month on month this season. Early in the season at VFL he couldn't get a body on his opponent and was misreading the ball coming in. He has really improved these two things. Other knocks on him were slow and large turning circle and really limited below his knees (= athleticism): I guess the fact we are not noticing this as much is evidence of his development in this area.
Sounds suspiciously like we might have a potential development success story for 2012?

Just needs to be played more....seems to have grown in confidence....

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 Post subject: Re: R17: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:40 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
Pros:
- Betts, Collins, Garlett, McLean, Yarran
- Invaluable experience for Murph as captain
- Bell and Casboult
- Watson back to defence
- Tbird did okay
- Showed some ticker in 2nd half

Cons:
- Starting Watson forward
- Generally woeful in first half
- Bower will be unfairly crucified
- Having to play Jamo when he could do with a rest

Pros:
As above plus McInnes' poise

Cons: This thread nearly got hijacked again...


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