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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:46 pm 
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Just watched some highlights. Must say, even so he got caught a couple of times, seeing Yazz running with the ball like a rugby player, out running and dodging opposition players is just so much fun.


Like this one :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:49 pm 
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Bell's head/hair looks like kouta.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:07 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
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Of course we deserve credit, it was a gutsy win with an undermanned side. We had no right to win last night with the side we had in. Why can't we just be happy for what it was?

We aren't going to make the top 4, get over it. We would have given it a shake but injuries put paid to those hopes. Shit happens!

It is really sad that some people just can't bring themselves to enjoy a fighting win achieved with one of our most undermanned sides in many years.


Can't argue with this. :thumbsup:


What was pleasing was the performances of the young ones.
Watson more comfortable in the backline but 1 or 2 quarters doesn't make a forward either.
McIness very composed and seems to make the right decisions regularly.
Bell very good size and determined.
Casboult could have been the start of the answer in the forward line for us earlier in the year if he didn't have his own injury interupted start to the year.

I do feel for Ratten but I have also been one of his critics.
He has made some good moves throughout the year but has also been very ridgid in his game and execution.
I understand his hand are tied in some instances ( injuries/suspentions) but he talks about been bold but rarely executes unless he is forced.
Examples would be blooding young kids earlier and not playing injured players.
Positional changes during game day. Gibbs attacking, Bower forward and Henderson back, ect.
Duigan forward is an occasional change but he thought it would confuse the opposition 2 weeks in a row.
What I have liked is he tried Watson forward but did rectify that pretty quickly.
Is it too little too late or will all the injuries save him for another year.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:12 pm 
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I thought last showed how overrated a ruckman can be.

Minson, Williams and Cordy should of killed us but we won the clearances.

Shows what a waste using good picks on Kruezer, Warnock & Hampson was.

If you have a top liner, like Cox great but otherwise don't use draft picks on them.

List Management is such an important issue and we don't do it well.

With early picks recruit mids, star on ballers etc. This is what wins games.

Add Cotchin, Fyfe and a few others to our line up and you could have Setanta rucking and we'd do well.

Pick up ruckman (like Jacobs, Cox, Sandilands) with late picks and if need be recruit a top ruckman (like Mumford, Jolly) when needed.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:33 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
I thought last showed how overrated a ruckman can be.

Minson, Williams and Cordy should of killed us but we won the clearances.

Shows what a waste using good picks on Kruezer, Warnock & Hampson was.

If you have a top liner, like Cox great but otherwise don't use draft picks on them.

List Management is such an important issue and we don't do it well.

With early picks recruit mids, star on ballers etc. This is what wins games.

Add Cotchin, Fyfe and a few others to our line up and you could have Setanta rucking and we'd do well.

Pick up ruckman (like Jacobs, Cox, Sandilands) with late picks and if need be recruit a top ruckman (like Mumford, Jolly) when needed.


I very much agree with this.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:45 pm 
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Now that we've figured this out -- re the ruckmen. Do we now trade Kreuzer while his value is high?

He could bring in a gun midfield option or a stud KPP, no?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:15 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:26 pm 
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Regardless of those trying to play down the efforts of the players that took the field on Sat night, it was a pretty good win.

10 first team players out.

Murphy playing with one arm

3 first gamers

Behind at every change

No tall forward, no ruckmen

Yet got the points.

:clap: :fight: :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:43 pm 
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Oh and Jordan Russell should not play again for the Navy Blues....

It's not his fault he is just not up to it.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:54 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
jim wrote:

They actually had more games experience than us last night. Ch 7 mentioned that last night saying how ironical it was. They were certainly far better off personal-wise than us.

A long way to go but credit where it was due.


Credit for last night? As a club we arent setting the bar very high anymore. :sad:


No but when you have a side half full of rookies, kids etc.., and half fit players out there too as well, you're not planning on beating Hawthorn in a hurry. You put the bar where you can climb it. In those circumstances (bar GC, GWS) and take the win. Try any Bulldog supporter totally p1ssed off (read their board's) that couldn't beat what that termed a "VFL side".


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:18 pm 
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chubbyruss wrote:
I'm a maggott hater from way back but the 50 against JR & the free against Thornton were correct every day of the week


So how does the rushed behind rule work then Chubbyruss? I'm confused and I reckon Thorton was too.
My understanding now is that it's ok to rush a behind if you're "under pressure". Is this wrong?
Thorton had a man in hot pursuit so surely that would qualify as "under pressure".

Seemed an odd call to me.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:25 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
I thought last showed how overrated a ruckman can be.

Minson, Williams and Cordy should of killed us but we won the clearances.

Shows what a waste using good picks on Kruezer, Warnock & Hampson was.

If you have a top liner, like Cox great but otherwise don't use draft picks on them.

List Management is such an important issue and we don't do it well.

With early picks recruit mids, star on ballers etc. This is what wins games.

Add Cotchin, Fyfe and a few others to our line up and you could have Setanta rucking and we'd do well.

Pick up ruckman (like Jacobs, Cox, Sandilands) with late picks and if need be recruit a top ruckman (like Mumford, Jolly) when needed.


Agree Pysch, but I'd also add this: I think that a side needs a good number one ruckmen - even if only to neutralise the opposition's ruck.
In order to give him a rest you need a number two ruckmen. They just need to break even, but must be good enough to hold their spot
in the team in a different position. I reckon we've got three number one ruckmen and we don't know what the hell to do with them.
We're trying to make one of them a number two ruckmen, but that's just messing everyone up. Sheet ... we've even tried to rewrite convention
and have a number three ruckmen.

Our list needs a rethink in this regard.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:50 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:14 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
I thought last showed how overrated a ruckman can be.

Minson, Williams and Cordy should of killed us but we won the clearances.

Shows what a waste using good picks on Kruezer, Warnock & Hampson was.



Honestly is that what you would call a huge cross section of the rucking population on which to base such a statement.

Minson is no world beater on his best day and as for Williams and Cordy, well token gestures as ruckmen at best on current form. The Doggies onballers include Wallis and Libba who are just learning the caper.

How do you think the Coaches of the past 10 Premiership teams would rate the input of their respective ruckman on GF day.

Are you basing your comment about Kruezer football abilities pre knee or post knee? Pre knee I doubt there would have been many Carlton supporters who would have swapped Kruz for Cotchin. Post knee he is struggling but so did Cotchin for his first 3 season with Injury.

As far as Warnock is concerned we got him just as you suggested, recruited him when we needed him. Collingwood saw the need to get Jolly and the Swans Mumford as you have said. Doesn't that say something about the need for a ruckman who can give you first use.

Hampson has two problems. He keeps getting injured and he struggles to mark the ball consistently. 1 is just bad luck and other needs alot of work. If his marking clicks consistently he could be anything with is size and athletic ability.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:23 pm 
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Having my son running around pumping his fists in the last like we won the flag made it all the worthwhile. You let the innocence of youth enjoy the moment for what it is and forget about the bigger picture for the moment.


Nice touch there. I think we can lose sight of the fact it is just a game sometimes.


Agree. My 8 year olds face when Betts kicked that goal, and indeed all our goals in the last quarter. I've never seen him so excited at the footy. Priceless.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:34 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
How do you think the Coaches of the past 10 Premiership teams would rate the input of their respective ruckman on GF day.

Are you basing your comment about Kruezer football abilities pre knee or post knee? Pre knee I doubt there would have been many Carlton supporters who would have swapped Kruz for Cotchin. Post knee he is struggling but so did Cotchin for his first 3 season with Injury.

As far as Warnock is concerned we got him just as you suggested, recruited him when we needed him. Collingwood saw the need to get Jolly and the Swans Mumford as you have said. Doesn't that say something about the need for a ruckman who can give you first use.

Hampson has two problems. He keeps getting injured and he struggles to mark the ball consistently. 1 is just bad luck and other needs alot of work. If his marking clicks consistently he could be anything with is size and athletic ability.

Regards Cazzesman.


Oh Cazz do I need to keep explaining?

Minson and Co arent great but they won the hitouts last night but we won the clearances and the game!

My comments are about using all these picks to recruit them. Its called list management.

The last 10 premierships proves my point. Ottens, Jolly etc recruited on a needs basis. These were brought in after the club developed a midfield and a core group. The ruckman is generally the last piece in the puzzle.

My comments on Kruezer are from day one. I have always said I would never use a number one pick on a ruckman. In a good side you need ONE but you need depth of quality midfield runners. My opinion at the time and still stands is that Kruezer has limited room for improvement and this is a vital aspect when recruiting. This is not to say he isnt a good player.

We got Warnock with pick 24? and he had done nothing.

Hampson keeps playing key forward. What a waste. His marking is caused by "hard hands" . In bigger blokes this rarely improves no matter what. They simply dont have the touch. Its like a one touch player.

You cant tell me we wouldnt have been a better side with Jacobs in the ruck and Cotchin on ball? plus a few others for the picks of Hampson and Warnock?

There is a lot of ruckman around we could get cheap to top up our list. We should also have one as a mature aged rookie as a back up.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:54 am 
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Simply looking at hitouts to clearances won't tell you much. You'd need to assess their rucks and midfields performance on the day as well as how they setup at stoppages and how we setup to minimise their advantage in the hitouts. Even then it's still only a one game sample size and using it draw any definitive conclusions is a stretch.

Not sure if I agree with the ruckman as the last piece idea either. It's costly and you'd need picks or players to trade, cap space available and someone of reasonable ability willing to change clubs all at the right time. Free agency could remove the need for picks to trade but even then you still need a big chunk of cap space and a decent free agent who is willing to move right when you need them. Too many variables involved to be a reliable strategy IMO.

Also the idea that ruckman are available late hasn't really been true over the past 10 years. The only quality ruckman to come off the rookie list in that timeframe that I can think of are Mumford and Jacobs. Most of the good young ruckman out there these days were picked in the first 3 rounds of the draft.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:05 am 
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Just watched some highlights. Must say, even so he got caught a couple of times, seeing Yazz running with the ball like a rugby player, out running and dodging opposition players is just so much fun.


Like this one :thumbsup:

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The run was great but the best part of that was the way he just kissed the footy at full pace to get it onto Carazzo's chest without either of them having to break stride. THAT takes an inordinate amount of skill.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:49 am 
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