Well if he doesnt demand the stature to control what he does he shouldnt be coaching... thats what youd call a claytons coach.

Actually two out of that 9 are ruck man.

Kreuzer & Hampson.

Warnock I didn't include. I mentioned him outside that number that even he is unavailable.

Actually - I've got you worked out Synbad and this is why I'm now playing with you........your an AFL puppet. You love what the AFL do to us, over and over again and just come in here to stir us loyal blue supporters up. I've worked you out - the very reason you can never, ever support any Carlton director, administrator, coach or player!!!!!

Drove the McLean deal? Greg Swann / Steven Icke and Wayne Hughes all drove that deal, including the coach. Obviously it is a bad position but to lay blame purely on the coach again is accepting mediocrity. I actually think the philosophy to get McLean was the right one - we needed another a-grade midfielder. Unfortunately who ever was in charge of the medical must have done a terrible job. If there was one???

Not even going to sit here and debate whether we should play Bower or Thornton as neither can take us forward. Obviously this week they were forced to play them... i would prefer, going forward, not to bother.

Sam Rowe? He has cancer. How can you possibly blame anyone for that right now. A key position forward recruited into the club - ready to go - mature body and we are pointing fingers - that is incredible that anyone could criticise that? And what did we desperately need this year more than anything???? do you think him showing faith in the recruiters who got us Nick Duigan last year he was wrong to assume they could find him a player ready to go in an important position?

Kane Lucas played 4 or 5 games in a row at VFL level - played at afl level and misses this week with some sort of injury - i am dumfounded how that is Ratten's fault.

Did anyone on here mention that he was the one who wanted Jeremy Laidler?

We are a pathetic supporter base if we subscribe to the belief that Carlton's football department problems are soley due to Ratten as a coach.

Then again we are a club that has always gone for the bandaid approach - and no surprise - when or if a malthouse comes in, might be the right move to get a very good proven coach rather than give someone else a go, i am not in the position to judge, and Kreuzer, Waite, Hampson, Henderson's, Jamisons etc of the world get through a season - then of course we will improve. But a bloke who has had no spine all year due to a crippled list - doesn't deserve to get the ass - that is just a sensible view - i am more than happy to do what everyone other idiot who jumps on and off the train does and blame the coach. I have seen it before and i have seen it again at footy clubs. Melbourne have a bandaid approach - and see how well that serves them. Why not actually stick with a process for a while/ Stand for something as a club - rather than just say - non finals team - see you later coach. Actually address some cultural issues at the club - like Geelong did. I am sure Geelong supporters were as fickle if not more than what you guys are about Thompson before he delivered them 2 or 3 flags what ever it was.

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Anyone know where Kerr is at? We kept him on the list and booted Setanta, who clearly wd have been handy at the mo. If Kerr can't get a gig when Garlett can't get near it, but is continually rewarded for bad form with games. Hendo injured after one game , how predictable. Great to see Levi and Bell get a gig but will be very tough, Esp for Levi. Maybe we could come up with a radical plan, maybe no ruck man but an extra mobile player to exploit Minson on the ground....hang on, Ratts is coach, no chance of any imagination, be no stats to support anything radical. Lucky we just signed a third first ruck for another 3 years on the back of 35 games over4 years at $400k a year....hang on, he got himself suspended after being dropped to the 2s, so when we need him, he's in the stands. We are a train wreck. We had a great chance to build a side from the draft and we have blown it. It is so infuriating to see us back at rebuild stage, and when I hear talk of who we are going to get from other clubs I shudder, another overpaid underperformer who we swap high draft picks for. Look at north, the list is all their draft picks, no swaps. Why couldn't we do that, what has happened to JR, Bower, Lucas, why are players going backwards, why have we got so little out of picks from late first to 3rd round. We are headed to our longest ever flag drought. I think it stands atv23 years. It is so depressing. 18 years next yr and no hope till we rebuild.

I just rattled your head....

Loyal Blue supporers...or Blues suppoters??......blue alright...!!!!.... Jeff Kennett kind of Blue...

Drove the McLean deal? Greg Swann / Steven Icke and Wayne Hughes all drove that deal, including the coach. Obviously it is a bad position but to lay blame purely on the coach again is accepting mediocrity. I actually think the philosophy to get McLean was the right one - we needed another a-grade midfielder. Unfortunately who ever was in charge of the medical must have done a terrible job. If there was one???

[color=#FF0000] Ratten was the one who wanted him and Swann did the deal - 3 weeks out from the draft and then after shaking hands wanted to add steak knives.

Not even going to sit here and debate whether we should play Bower or Thornton as neither can take us forward. Obviously this week they were forced to play them... i would prefer, going forward, not to bother.

If Henderson and Kreuzer are not right (and they arent) then I would rather a fit Bower and Thornton playing in the short term to safeguard the long term future of Kruezer and Henderson when our Premiership Window next opens (about 5 years)

Sam Rowe? He has cancer. How can you possibly blame anyone for that right now. A key position forward recruited into the club - ready to go - mature body and we are pointing fingers - that is incredible that anyone could criticise that? And what did we desperately need this year more than anything???? do you think him showing faith in the recruiters who got us Nick Duigan last year he was wrong to assume they could find him a player ready to go in an important position?

Got nothing to do with Sam Rowe's cancer - and I have discussed this at length elsewhere and wished him all the best. But to draft him where we did IS poor list management, and that is Ratten's responsibility (he got rid of Icke to get his way) (Ratten) let me repeat that a second round draft pick on him when we could have picked a young kid called Jordan Murdoch. We could have demoted White and a Kerr to the rookies list, making room for a few more players on our Senior List and take Rowe with a 3rd or 4th rounder.

Kane Lucas played 4 or 5 games in a row at VFL level - played at afl level and misses this week with some sort of injury - i am dumfounded how that is Ratten's fault.

The use of Lucas over the past 3 years has been a mismash of in - out, used as a sub. This guy is a first rounder should be treasured not treated as he has been, christ we gave Russell 3 years of senior games when he probably didnt deserve half of them.

Did anyone on here mention that he was the one who wanted Jeremy Laidler?

1 out of 3 aint bad I suppose.

We are a pathetic supporter base if we subscribe to the belief that Carlton's football department problems are soley due to Ratten as a coach.

Then again we are a club that has always gone for the bandaid approach - and no surprise - when or if a malthouse comes in, might be the right move to get a very good proven coach rather than give someone else a go, i am not in the position to judge, and Kreuzer, Waite, Hampson, Henderson's, Jamisons etc of the world get through a season - then of course we will improve. But a bloke who has had no spine all year due to a crippled list - doesn't deserve to get the ass - that is just a sensible view - i am more than happy to do what everyone other idiot who jumps on and off the train does and blame the coach. I have seen it before and i have seen it again at footy clubs. Melbourne have a bandaid approach - and see how well that serves them. Why not actually stick with a process for a while/ Stand for something as a club - rather than just say - non finals team - see you later coach. Actually address some cultural issues at the club - like Geelong did. I am sure Geelong supporters were as fickle if not more than what you guys are about Thompson before he delivered them 2 or 3 flags what ever it was.

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Drove the McLean deal? Greg Swann / Steven Icke and Wayne Hughes all drove that deal, including the coach. Obviously it is a bad position but to lay blame purely on the coach again is accepting mediocrity. I actually think the philosophy to get McLean was the right one - we needed another a-grade midfielder. Unfortunately who ever was in charge of the medical must have done a terrible job. If there was one???


Did anyone on here mention that he was the one who wanted Jeremy Laidler?

Bower hasn't been that bad this year. He is only a backman however but he does give his all.
Thornton has lost his desire. He refuses to do the team things but at the very least he can do a job at ff for us.
Lucas - I just don't know why he isn't playing. I have a feeling there might be more than we know. I hope not.
Russell has been my biggest disappointment this year. I just like this guy so much, I want him to succeed but boy does he look low in self esteem.

Anyway - I don't care anymore. It's better not to care anymore. See Synbad - I feel better......

Someone get this thread back on track!

Tanking has returned
We are a real chance to finish below Richmond and Brisbane and quite possibly the Western Bulldogs.