geez surely Thornton would be better prepared than Waite ?

Hate to agree, but have to in this case. This reliance on Waite "coming good" has gotten well and truly out of hand.

Even in McKay's BluePrint interview he mentioned finding another key forward to (words to the the effect of) "help Waite out". FFS, when are we going to move on?

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Put time into the kids and get Waite right, Etihad not the place to take a half-fit player.

Whats the bet Waite will have another injury prior to the end of the season?

PS One point McKay made re:CLoke - durable and rarely injured, you can build a team around him , Waite I'm sorry must become much much less important to our structure if we are to improve next year.

I'm sure if he came to Carlton we can fix that.

Exactly!!

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I agree. I was only posting the twitter updates

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I really don't get all this talk about Waite coming in like he is the answer. We really are desperate or have no idea. He is also very poor first up.

I hate to point this out but he isn't that good.

Talented yes but at 29 I wouldn't say he has put a stellar career together. Only a year ago the MC decided to play him at CHF after he was playing some good footy at CHB.

He is also NOT a key position forward. He isn't big or strong enough. Yes he can play the position because he is athletic but if we don't deliver it properly he will really struggle. I liken him a lot to Walker. They are third options.

Need to look to the future and its not playing ruckman as forwards. Casboult, Mitchell, Henderson, Rowe are better options.

If Waite can get fit and near his best he will be a huge bonus to our side. Especially if we can develop key big guys around him.


Personally, I would put him back to CHB to assist Watson and Jamison and leave Henderson at FF with Casboult. Much better set up. And Ratts, if it doesn't work in the first 5 minutes don't change it!

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To me Waite sums up pretty much our whole team:

- Talented
- Athletic
- Inconsistent
- Injury-prone
- Poor discipline
- Poor decision-maker
- Can't nail one position
- Always assumed that things will just fall into place when he comes back
- Always 1-2 weeks away

He is this Carlton team in one package

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Hey Ratts!!

Play this side at the weekend, leave them in their spots and play simple one on one footy at Etihad. Do this and we will win and win well!

B: Collins Watson McInness
HB: Yarran Waite Duigan

C: Lucas McLean Armfield
Foll: Kruezer Carrazzo Murphy

HF: Robinson Henderson Touhy
F: Betts Casboult Gibbs

Int: Ellard Curnow OKeefe (Bootsma)

1 tagging job. McLean to sit on Boyd. Will be able to match him and Boyd starts everything for the Dogs. If he can't get first hands on the ball they are in trouble.

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Jamison pissed in your weetbix at some point this year, hasn't he?

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No, but given his performances over the past weeks does he really deserve his spot? This is not about playing who we like this is playing players who will have a go and perform. One major problem we have is that Ratts has his favourites and plays them even when not fit or in form. At the moment Jamison doesn't deserve his spot. Simple.

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I'd actually put more time into Griffin being the more dangerous on the outside especially at Etihad in a team that lacks run. Sedat might disagree.

Also if you going to put time into Boyd, rather than playing the plodder on the plodder would this be a chance to give Gibbs or even Lucas the challenge and responsibility that some think he needs by giving him a more offfensive role, in a similar way to Geelong did with Duncan on Judd, or Collingwood did with Wellingham a couple of years back.

I know it's a bit out there, but I reckon Mclean is just 'Boyd lite' and the Bulldogs would have no problem with us having similar players going head to head.

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He hasn't been that great. But not necessarily bad enough for me to think that Watto or Waite who hasn't played key defensive post in about 4 years will do any better. Take out Friday night's game and I think the games we've had Jamo and Hendo down there, Henderson has been better for Jamison being there.

Scotland also chopped or just an oversight?

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BB74, I understand your points and they make sense however what I think we need is to get away from tags etc. We tag more than any other club in the AFL. Listen to Ratten and its all about Stats and what we need to do to spot the opposition. All negatives.

Guys like Gibbs and Lucas need to get away from this and be given some freedom to break the shackles. You can tell it in their body language out there. Let them go and hunt the ball and kick some goals.

Robbo just needs to hunt the ball and not play a defensive role on someone. Carrots and Murphy need to get possessions. Kruezer needs to just ruck. Betts needs to run wherever he wants and not be the lead up player. Let Touhy hunt the ball and try to kick goals. Let Watson do kick outs and every kick has to be outside 50.

Sometimes and especially in developing players you need to go back to basics. Thats what got them ether in the first place.

Bring the fun back!

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I'm not sure why everyone is including Kreuzer in the mix for this Saturday Night.

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Happy to bring Waite in but play HFF next to Henderson so he's more a running 3rd tall than a KP player. Might help his body. Can play in Walker's spot. Casboult in this week to play FF and pinch hit in the ruck. Gibbs in the other HF slot. Give the forward 50 some structure and something to kick to.

I think apart from a good patch a year ago he has been average. personally I believe he is very overrated.

Scotland needs a rest. He is injured and barely getting up each week and has other things on his mind. No value in playing him now.

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Didn't McKay say on the Blue Print that Kreuzer isn't injured.....

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Wholeheartedly agree - but I fear after 5 years of Pagan and 5 years of Ratten, any semblance of flair has been knocked out of our players, in particular Gibbs.

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Have no issue with that and more likely to happen. Might then bring in Bower to play on Jones.

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