What Judd did was inexcusable. I really couldn't give a toss whether Judd got 1 or 8 weeks. Our fall from grace over the last 17 years has made me bitter. What riles me the most is that I have no faith in future decision making. How many more bad decisions will we make?

We have a second rate coach

We have amateurs running our club

We are a rudderless organisation

We are a mess

We still have supporters who believe that our injuries are the root cause of our problems

ENOUGH WITH THE EXCUSES, CHEST THUMPING AND DISTRACTIONS. WE ARE MEDIOCRE.

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Wojee i saw it... and im sure not many people didnt think it was not a chicken wing....
... second... the guy was on the ground and defenseless.

Im not buying the Juddy/Simon Wilson excuses for a minute... the eye gouges x 2 and this.

Yes hes a Carlton /AFL great.... but that is @#$%&! pathetic!!!

I mean really really piss poor.

And there would not be one person here who wouldnt think so if it was a player from another club.

4 weeks???

Thats what most of us thought minimum

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Agreed. Let's get games into Bootsma, Davies, Lucas, McInnes, ROK & Watson. Give Bower, JR, T-Bird & White opportunities to prove they have a future at CFC. And give Bell, Levi & Dale a taste of AFL.

Full review of all aspects of the club's operations starts now.

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

No Retreat. No Surrender.

Even better - start the tank - now that we are good at right??????
flowering embarrasment.

Verbs - we deserve what we get with some supporters like ours mate. No doubt.

The issue for me is consistency.

They pick and choose when the game is brought into disrepute.

Rioli not even sighted, Daniel Jackson only fined, Josh Hunt zilch.

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Cimm.. ok lets see what andy mckay does....

i remember we were gunna stew on what the afl gave us on black friday.. it was the same as what we woke up to on black saturday and sunday and monday and tuesday...

andrew mckay knows when the tribunal has him licked.. but yeah we gunna do the chest beating now...

we are carlton @#$%&! the rest!!!

Lets see how we act on this..... or is it for carlton members consumption ???

i reckon more carlton swagger/ bravado...means jack shit these days...

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I'd rather we play kids for the rest of 2012 than injured senior players.

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

Juddy will enjoy the time off and will freshen up. I almost feel relieved for him.

Back for the Bombers game with Simmo, Waite and Walker and maybe big K.

Still the whole thing does not make any sense as there is no consistency in the rules.

supporters didnt chicken wing Surrey.....

supporters SHOULD not support stupidity.

Obviously they do.. thats why were shit for going on 20 years

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Let's not fight over McKay's comment. It's surely not his place to walk out of the tribunal and say we'll accept it and move on without having a good chat to Judd and Wilson. Standard comment.

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"I had to eat"

Synners you really shouldn't post in this thread as you bring TC into disrepute.

But what do you want him to do Synners.?

Lay it out now because I know, if I don't get you to say what you want to happen next, you'll say whatever they do is wrong.

I'm saying McKay is right to let people settle down. I reckon that they are furious at the decision , not the ban and if you make decisions when your mad you regret them.

You are seriously having a hard time of it.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Was expecting the worst so 4 weeks probably isn't too bad in the end. Don't agree with it, especially if Adams plays next week like nothing happened, but what can you do. Time to think about next year.

You are allowed to tackle a player in possession, and you can tackle by grabbing an opponents arm. Not ag the rules so I am not sure how youbgetvreported for a legal tackle. He didn't sling him on his head, he tackled him legally. I thought people hated us for being good, but we have been ordinary all century and we are still hated. If only we could do things to make people hate us. Hopefully we apply plenty of chicken wings to Lonergan in a few weeks.

Would it not be adding salt to the wound.......if.......Ziebell's case gets overturned or penalty reduced. Let me see 2 of ours in consecutive weeks smashed laying nearly lifeless on the ground.....no image issues, no intent from the opposition players apparently.

Would love just one blue boy to run through a few every week till the end of this year, no intent just recklessly of course.

We are weak we do not intimidate we get smashed physically......I'm going to bed with the Gibbs sorry with the light on!

I want it to be acted out with some fair dinkumness Cimm.

all this talk and bullshit by the club for over a decade is wearing abit thin.

Time after time they just continue to hit rock bottom... and when you ca nt get any lower.. along comes our 7 million captain salad to chickenwing and be turned into the moustached woman in the circus.... when will we ever get our shit together???
Its fo @#$%&! pathetic.. we are so @#$%&! pathetic at every level.

I dont have to feel sorry for juddy......

hes doing nicely... its just supporters who struggle paying bills that pay to be members to put up with all this shit i feel sorry for me.

i dont feel sorry for myself this year cimm.. i didnt do it...

Can you smell what were cooking???
You are Carlton!!!!

Dunno what Carlton ... but Carlton...

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Atleast ratten won't be unemployed next year.

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"You're not gonna believe this. The guy killed 16 czechoslovakians. He was an interior decorator."

"His house looked like shit!"

So if he had jumped off the ground, elbowed the guy and broke his jaw, he would've got 3 weeks.

Ridiculous that he should've got anything more than a week. In the end, he held the guys arm at an uncomfortable angle for 5 seconds resulting in his aleady damaged shoulder getting hurt and spending 10 minutes off the ground.

Media beat up - calling it a 'chicken wing' tackle when most have never watched a rugby league game in their life.

I agree a stupid act - but he would have got less for killing bambi.