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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:26 pm 
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My whole point exactly Harker. We must not crucify just one or two people.
Yes, I haven't liked the structures, selections either but to blame Ratten & Kernahan alone is just farcicle.
Kernahan especially. I want to know what the other line coaches and fitness staff's input has been?
I'm sure the vet will do the right thing and make the appropriate changes, as he did with our recruiting manager.


Surry i dont wanna crucify only two people i wanna go through the whole club with a weapon of gas destruction and a scorthced earth policy and start again....
They can all re-apply for their jobs after a full review of the club at every level has been made and the report in.

MAcKay is football manager.. so he is responsible for everything that has gone on this year just as the head coach is.
After all.. he would have been part of the decision making at every level for this year.

Development/recruitment/conditioning/tactics and coaches


this was an abortion of a year.... under his watch


The guy has been in the job for 5 minutes and you want to crucify him? Common Synners, even you are more balanced than that, surely!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:26 pm 
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There are some people you can get into the trenches with and some you can't. Simple


This is not war or work Harker. We pay good money year in and year out and we put our trust in the recruiting staff and the coaching staff to get us to the promised land. When the wheels start to fall off when we have not achieved what we set out to then serious questions need to be asked.

We have not been in the top 4 for 12 years and have not been on top of the ladder in the 2nd half of the year since 1996. It is a disgrace.


Adelaide finished 14th last year and are now top 4. They had the cattle back then but just couldn't put the pieces together. Did the change of coach make all the difference?
West Coast finished last in 2010 and have since been top four material. No change of coach required.

We have the cattle but have just not been able to keep them on the park. What happened to WC today and why?
It's really not that hard to work out.

WC bumped into a very good team in Swans.

Thats what happened...

the same Swans that will dismember us completely.

Adelaide changed a coach and it mattered.
Worsfold is a smart coach...

We dont have that... we have a guy called Ratten.

Most of our players are shells of themselves.

Even if theyre not injured.... they are not playing at their best....

And have not hit any highs with him.

Im not sure what youre saying harker...

CAN RATTS COACH OR NOT???

110 games should tell the story....

Are YOU convinced or is there a fence in that trench of yours , you like to sit on???

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:28 pm 
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My whole point exactly Harker. We must not crucify just one or two people.
Yes, I haven't liked the structures, selections either but to blame Ratten & Kernahan alone is just farcicle.
Kernahan especially. I want to know what the other line coaches and fitness staff's input has been?
I'm sure the vet will do the right thing and make the appropriate changes, as he did with our recruiting manager.


Surry i dont wanna crucify only two people i wanna go through the whole club with a weapon of gas destruction and a scorthced earth policy and start again....
They can all re-apply for their jobs after a full review of the club at every level has been made and the report in.

MAcKay is football manager.. so he is responsible for everything that has gone on this year just as the head coach is.
After all.. he would have been part of the decision making at every level for this year.

Development/recruitment/conditioning/tactics and coaches


this was an abortion of a year.... under his watch


The guy has been in the job for 5 minutes and you want to crucify him? Common Synners, even you are more balanced than that, surely!



Not crucifying anyone.

A review is needed... including his job.

thats all....

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:28 pm 
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harker wrote:
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There are some people you can get into the trenches with and some you can't. Simple


This is not war or work Harker. We pay good money year in and year out and we put our trust in the recruiting staff and the coaching staff to get us to the promised land. When the wheels start to fall off when we have not achieved what we set out to then serious questions need to be asked.

We have not been in the top 4 for 12 years and have not been on top of the ladder in the 2nd half of the year since 1996. It is a disgrace.


Adelaide finished 14th last year and are now top 4. They had the cattle back then but just couldn't put the pieces together. Did the change of coach make all the difference?
West Coast finished last in 2010 and have since been top four material. No change of coach required.

We have the cattle but have just not been able to keep them on the park. What happened to WC today and why?
It's really not that hard to work out.


Who's fault is it that we have had all these injuries this year?

Didnt West Coast have a serious clean out at the end of 2010 (Ie Nisbet resigning etc) with only Worsfold holding on.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:29 pm 
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What happened to WC today and why?
It's really not that hard to work out.


NO KP forward!!!!!!



So who did the Swans have as power forward???

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:31 pm 
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out of harmes' way wrote:
I've got the perfect game plan for the Doggies. Surprise them by playing Duigan forward, play Hendo down back, Betts at CHF, get our midget forwards to lead into pockets, ensure our field kicking is terrible, make sure all our passes drop short, play six defensive forwards, put Watson in the ruck, kick to 2 on 1 contests and watch the ball get swept away out of our forward line, when Brian Lake leads hit him lace out, get Garlett to play the whole game on Bett's shoulders, ensure there are no crumbers in our forward line by getting them up the ground to swamp stoppages, move Gibbs into 15 different positions but ensure he ends up where he started, let him coast through the game like every other week, make Will Minson look good, miss a record number of tackles, try to pin-pont impossible passes, get more possessions and inside 50s and still lose the game.

I'm confident we've got them covered, they're shaking in their boots- trust me.

I can then make my way home-early again because the traffic after Doggie's games is horrendous- and delete the game on IQ, because I'm running out of hard drive space due, to series linking Antiques Roadshow, which has quickly become my favourite show after round 3.


Some-one, can't remember who said pre North game, Duigan forward won't work this week because they will have planned for it and my thoughts were = exactly and we will not do that as we'll need him to help our KP back cover the North forwards! So what do our genius coaching group do?????


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:32 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
harker.. are you in the trenches with Surrey or not???



Synbad, you're a good thinker but one that gets so bogged down in what you want to see, that I'd be worried you shot me and not your enemy in the heat of the battle.
I'm not happy about the way this year has panned out for us either, but I don't want to release the safety and just start shooting randomly either.

I can tell you that this year started out in a very promising fashion for the CFC from what I gleaned through the pre-season but not in my wildest dreams did I think we'd drop off like flies the way we have.
When we ultimately reflect on 2012, we'll see that we never had a chance with the rolling medium to long term injuries we sustained.
Behind the scenes? I don't really know nor will I pretend to know as some others do. Fact of the matter is that if you aren't there, then well you just ain't. Simple.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:34 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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What happened to WC today and why?
It's really not that hard to work out.


NO KP forward!!!!!!



So who did the Swans have as power forward???


Common Synbad - I know you lack some footy knowledge sometimes but fair dinkum!!!!
Ok - I'll play because I'm in the mood (pissed off after watching the footy today) Reid, Goodes & LRT ring a bell? 2 out of the 3 are extremely good by the way. :wink: :banghead:


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:38 pm 
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Roy wrote:

Didnt West Coast have a serious clean out at the end of 2010 (Ie Nisbet resigning etc) with only Worsfold holding on.


What ever took us down the path, needs a serious look at. Business is business, but not for the sake of making out to be doing the right thing because you really don't know any better.
Coach stuffed up? Out he goes, but then you have to take a head or two along with that for the appointment also and so it goes.

Western Bulldogs match?
If Kreuzer doesn't front, which seems that he most likely won't, we have another debutante fronting up. Mitchell? Casboult?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:56 pm 
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Surrey.....
Reid and Goodes??

What were their contested marking statistics???

Reid was ok..Goodes did bugger all as a kry forward.

But if you watched that game.. youd find they were not the crux players..
Jetta /O'Keefe /Bolton and everyone of their players who did what they had to do .. spoilt when they had to.. kicked it to the right areas and chained up beautifully.

If you think they had effective KPF youre dreaming

Sam Reid isnt power.. he is athletic.. and Goodes wasnt damaging.. or in the play.

They would have won that game without them,

In contrast WC were bomging the ball into theirs as if they did have power forwards.

Besides... how many power forwards are killing it in the AFL right now???

Its how you play the game that counts.

Swans is a classic example of a beautfully coached no frills type of TEAM

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:56 pm 
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Roy wrote:
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Everybody.


If you take a look at the run home thread i stated we would lose to Nth Melb.

We will lose this game as well.

Carlton are a embarrassment to the AFL and their supporters.

I am not attending another game for the year as i have cut up my membership.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:00 pm 
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harker wrote:
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harker.. are you in the trenches with Surrey or not???



Synbad, you're a good thinker but one that gets so bogged down in what you want to see, that I'd be worried you shot me and not your enemy in the heat of the battle.
I'm not happy about the way this year has panned out for us either, but I don't want to release the safety and just start shooting randomly either.

I can tell you that this year started out in a very promising fashion for the CFC from what I gleaned through the pre-season but not in my wildest dreams did I think we'd drop off like flies the way we have.
When we ultimately reflect on 2012, we'll see that we never had a chance with the rolling medium to long term injuries we sustained.
Behind the scenes? I don't really know nor will I pretend to know as some others do. Fact of the matter is that if you aren't there, then well you just ain't. Simple.

Harker its not about the injuries... its also about what happens with guys like Gibbs Russell Bower Garlett T Bird etc.

Who steps up?
who doesnt?
Who falls away?
How does the group react as a whole???

I wanna know harker... do you think this coach Ratten is the best man to manage.. condition... prepare and tactically lead this team???

Put it on the line....

Or just say

"I dont know... after 110 games i have no clue if this guy can coach this team to its fullest of potential..."

But answer the question....

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:00 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Swans is a classic example of a beautfully coached no frills type of TEAM


KP forwards keep KP backs busy. All they need to do sometimes is contest, sometimes.
Swans are coached well by Longmire or the previous Roos?? Team hasn't changed much with coaches changing??
No - they have built a culture around hard nose players and are lead well onfield as well as off!!!
My point is that the players are dedicated to hard work and demand that from each other.
Can you put your hand or your heart and say the same about our's?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:08 pm 
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Unlike you Synbad - it's not just about 2 people! It cannot be and it isn't.
Players are just as much to blame as our complete coaching group.

Players will play according to how theyre trained/conditioned/ drilled/ prepared./ managed/ directed
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That's fair enough Synbad but some are blaming Ratts for moving Henda back. Meanwhile Jamo gets let off the hook for allowing his man to get 4 goals in one quarter making it impossible for Ratts to do anything but roll the dice.

The players can play better. We have seen them but they don't bring the same mindset week after week. That may well be Ratts fault and it is definately his fault that he hasn't weeded out those week to week types by now.

Last week he wasn't left with much and not even the best coach in the world would have been able to get a win with that 22 come 20.


The actual issue is Ratts never planned for Henderson going back.

If Casboult or Mitchell played, they still provide a target inside 50 when Hendo moved back.


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Kruezer may not play, injury has flared up

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:11 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
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Swans is a classic example of a beautfully coached no frills type of TEAM


KP forwards keep KP backs busy. All they need to do sometimes is contest, sometimes.
Swans are coached well by Longmire or the previous Roos?? Team hasn't changed much with coaches changing??
No - they have built a culture around hard nose players and are lead well onfield as well as off!!!
My point is that the players are dedicated to hard work and demand that from each other.
Can you put your hand or your heart and say the same about our's?


Surrey hard to say if youre serious or not.

Those players arent doi ng it only with hard work.
Ours try to work hard too.... but we dont have an effective game plan.
Our players dont have a clue.

How many undisciplined acts committed today?
How many times did Swans players all go up and spoil each other (Happens alot with us.. but not cos our players are t trying)
How mant times.. do they keep pushingt hat ball forward ... just relentless...

How are our bodies prepared for that kind of game???
How many times does Goodes run past the man and not recieve the ball.. contrast this to what we do with JUdd...

If judd demands the ball he gets another stat..

Goodes uses himself as a magnet to draw players away from where the ball is going.

And how many times do you see Swans players outmarked?


Theyre coached.. and they execute all the simple things better than us.

Theyre predictable in their relentless gameplan in sacrifice and pushing that ball forwards.

We play as a group of individuals....

cos were not welded together....

Lewis Jetta????

IS A @#$%&! GUN!!!.... :thumbsup:

He is Adam Goodes mk 2...

Well done for development....

their mids???

Not household names... but flower GUNS!!!!

Their defence.... wow!!!.... that esseindon reject??? never spoken about as an AA.. but wow!!!.. and how he leads that defence of not overly tall guys as a machine....!!!

their pick #150 ruckmen???(One from Canada growing up riding reindeers)

WOW!!!!!!

Coaching... development.. etc... A +

US????

BIG F FOR FAIL!!!

See the difference???

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Kruezer may not play, injury has flared up




What's that little feeder tributary creek just past the upper reaches of Shit Creek called. :roll:

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Kruezer may not play, injury has flared up

He has been struggling for 12 weeks with it.

Of course ts going to flare up.

We have a coach who is about self presevation.

K should have been rested for a month weeks ago... and then checked

I wonder what were doing to this kids longevity

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Synbad wrote:
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Kruezer may not play, injury has flared up

He has been struggling for 12 weeks with it.

Of course ts going to flare up.

We have a coach who is about self presevation.

K should have been rested for a month weeks ago... and then checked

I wonder what were doing to this kids longevity




Yep........but it's now being acknowledged & a very real possibility he won't play

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Kruezer may not play, injury has flared up




What's that little feeder tributary creek just past the upper reaches of Shit Creek called. :roll:

The far canal.
Eddie to ruck.


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