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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:33 pm 
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Synners, with your sunny disposition I wouldn't let you coach an under nines side, there would be mass suicides after one loss.

You can't be coach you're not even dedicated enough to be a member!

If it is a mental weakness that is the problem, would that not be the role of the club Psyc to sort out?

I will ask again why the players can't accept responsibility for their own actions, I can't see how there are massive problems with the way they are coached as they have shown that they are more than capable of playing good quality football, if they were playing this way every week with a full list to pick from, then your coach argument might be completely correct.

Please make no mistake, I am as pissed off and as frustrated with the inconsistency as you are, probably more so as I have put my money up, I just get extremely tired of the continual scapegoating that is going on when the circumstances are not as cut and dried as you would like them to appear to be, please try to look at the whole picture rather than the scenes that suit your agenda.

Once again can you tell me what could have been done last night to change the result?

Because I don't think there is a coach in the competition or in waiting that could have done much different.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:37 pm 
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Synners, with your sunny disposition I wouldn't let you coach an under nines side, there would be mass suicides after one loss.

You can't be coach you're not even dedicated enough to be a member!


That's disgraceful. Mods get this guy off!!! :mad:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:44 pm 
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Your saying we were shot before we ran out, that may or may not have been the case, if that is the case is it not the responsibility of the players to take care of their own mental attitude especially after a solid win the week before, or does the coach have to have 22 emergencies available in case the precious little darlings don't feel like it on the day, does he have to hold their hands and help them put their jumpers on in case they break a nail, I don't think so!
These blokes are being paid large amounts of money to do their jobs, so it is on them to bring the right attitude to the game.

It is fine to plan for the game all week but those plans are not worth a fanny full of cold water when you lose 3 players inside a half of a game and are already carrying in 2 players who have missed a fair bit of footy and you are scraping for tall players, and playing a side with a tall forward line and one of those forwards is looking like having a day out, moving Henderson back was a rob Peter to pay Paul situation and where has Henderson played his best football for the club? In the backline if my memory serves me correctly.

It makes it difficult for players to have confidence and play to structures when changes have been made, but those changes weren't made for the fun of it, they were made because our original structures went to the shithouse when we lost those players and the coaching panel were trying to find a way to make things work.

What would have you done that would have been able to limit the impact that North's forwards had on the game, give us a target to kick to and solve the problem of being 2 down for half a game and still keep freshness and run in the legs of our on ballers, but you must also allow for the fact that one of those on ballers has been out for seven weeks and was going to run out of puff later in the game.

We tried to get ourselves back into the game and at one stage had got to within 13 points we couldn't sustain it, simple as that.

You talk about the North players being able to know what each other was doing and that is largely due to the fact that the side has had continuity, we have not been able to field a settled team since round 4 so of course there will be problems with players gelling with each other, but to you that is just another excuse.

Ratten and the match committe have made mistakes and decisions that we have found confusing to say the least but it !@#$%& pisses me off that every time we drop a game it is their fault, when do the players get treated like adults and made accountable for their poor decisions, I'm pretty sure the coach didn't have those shots at goal that missed and I'm pretty sure it was Jamison and not Ratten that dropped his knees into Petrie's back, who is responsible for those actions?

Please tell me what positional moves could have been made last night to change the outcome.

If you can't please get off the coaches back and place the blame on the 22 adults that went out on the ground, if you still feel you need to blame someone or just face the fact that it was a horror night where nothing went right.


Good post. Agree with most of that.

There were a couple of odd tactical decisions though:

1.) Duigan forward again. It worked last week when he was given a particular role (shutting down Maxwell) and the fact that he kicked three goals on top of successfully fulfilling his designated role was a bonus. It is the kind of move you pull once in a while to shake things up and catch the opposition off guard and if you're lucky, it actually works, which it did. But it's not the sort of thing you try two weeks in a row and Duigan should have been in defence last night.

2.) Moving Henderson back into defence. Jamo was getting beaten but with Walker injured and Henderson having been moved back into defence, we had no viable medium/tall targets up forward. Especially when we had fallen a few goals behind, we had to bite the bullet with Jamison on Petrie and have Henderson forward to at least gives ourselves a chance when going forward. Henderson had started the game pretty well in the forward line. Petrie was going to kick a bag anyway and it's not something for which we should have dispensed with our only tall forward option. Having said all of that, had Petrie kicked his entire bag on Jamison, I guess people on here would be blaming Ratten for not trying somebody else on Petrie, so Ratten probably can't win either way with some. I'm one of those that believes our hands have been tied with our lack of talls for sometime, but felt that we had to try to win the game, even if it meant Jamison got towelled up and moving Henderson back just sent the message that we were about containment and not positivity.


I think the Duigan thing was tried again as he does have the ability to compete in the air, and if not able to mark at least be able to bring the ball to ground, Inwas surprised that Hendo even started forward after Touhey pulled out as his best footy at the club has been as a defender and I also think that Ratts was trying to force the ball to the ground to give us the opportunity to run the ball quickly up the ground from the backline and give our mids and small forwards the chance to score before North could get numbers back.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:48 pm 
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surely Bower Thornton and Russell are better than Watson Jamison and Mccinnes (he will be good but we are fighting for survival)

If we lose it is because we dont select the best players to play each week

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:54 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
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Synners, with your sunny disposition I wouldn't let you coach an under nines side, there would be mass suicides after one loss.

You can't be coach you're not even dedicated enough to be a member!


That's disgraceful. Mods get this guy off!!! :mad:


Nah.... hes ok..
Sticks and stones.. ive heard worse...

This guy probably thought we were going to win the flag a month ago....

I know for some people they cant get their heads around whats going on.....

still in denial.. its an awful shock.

It is even for me...

but some people look around for something else to blame in their denial.....

its the umpires... its injuries (Essendon* have injuries and so do others).. but yeah whatever makes your boat float.. hit out at me... :lol:

Its cruel whats going on.....

It feels like our window has been slammed shut... not talking premiership window here.... im talking finals window...

3 years...!!!

Enjoyed it.. was great!!!

I was where some people are today 3 or 4 years ago.

It just doesnt hurt as much....

I dont create 'fantasy scapegoats' anymore(umpires.. AFL... Collingwood trojan horses.. our indigneous group of footballers...injuries.....etc .. etc .....etc)... i just want the imbeciles who are running this club into the ground gone.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:55 pm 
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words cannot express my joy, now that Freo have overtaken us on the ladder.
The weekend just keeps getting better.

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Ratts there next week = Duigan CHF again.... :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:57 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
words cannot expressmy joy, now that Freo have overtaken us on the ladder.
The weekend just keeps getting better.

Are we thirteenth already?????

WOW!!

Who is behind us now???

The new start up sides Melbourne and who???

Brissy????
Eight point game soon... :clap:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:01 pm 
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we have adjusted our seasons goals once again
We have gone from top 4 to making the 8 to now finishing on top of the bottom 6 :)

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:03 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
words cannot expressmy joy, now that Freo have overtaken us on the ladder.
The weekend just keeps getting better.

Are we thirteenth already?????

WOW!!

Who is behind us now???

The new start up sides Melbourne and who???

Brissy????
Eight point game soon... :clap:


Yeah but don't forget we can still make the finals... :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:06 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
we have adjusted our seasons goals once again
We have gone from top 4 to making the 8 to now finishing on top of the bottom 6 :)

Draft pick will be better.. thats one ray of sunshine.....

Probably will land ourselves a hbfer type though......

Best hbfer drafting can draft.....

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Synbad wrote:
Ratts there next week = Duigan CHF again.... :thumbsup:


Slap.

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bluegirl72 wrote:
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Ratts there next week = Duigan CHF again.... :thumbsup:


Slap.

ouch! what was that for??? :sad:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:11 pm 
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We play Swans in a couple of weeks.

Whats the bet.... Gibbs on Goodes

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:12 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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Ratts there next week = Duigan CHF again.... :thumbsup:


Slap.

ouch! what was that for??? :sad:


let me counteth the ways. :-)

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Synbad wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
we have adjusted our seasons goals once again
We have gone from top 4 to making the 8 to now finishing on top of the bottom 6 :)

Draft pick will be better.. thats one ray of sunshine.....

Probably will land ourselves a hbfer type though......

Best hbfer drafting can draft.....


He has to be that athletic type new age player that played tiddly winks up until he was 17
We dont want to draft footballers

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:21 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
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Synners, with your sunny disposition I wouldn't let you coach an under nines side, there would be mass suicides after one loss.

You can't be coach you're not even dedicated enough to be a member!


That's disgraceful. Mods get this guy off!!! :mad:


Nah.... hes ok..
Sticks and stones.. ive heard worse...

This guy probably thought we were going to win the flag a month ago....

I know for some people they cant get their heads around whats going on.....

still in denial.. its an awful .


I know. I really enjoy people having a go but IMO he really stepped over the line! Is he scarponi?

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Synbad wrote:
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How did those indigenous boys go tonight
Crap and guess what we lost

Sorry cant have 5 in the one team if you want consistency

They determine if we win or lose

how did the white fellas go tonight?
crap and guess what we lost.

sorry cant have 18 in a one team if you want consistency.

they determine if you win or lose


Post of the week - well said Synbad.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:33 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
blues8182 wrote:
Synners, with your sunny disposition I wouldn't let you coach an under nines side, there would be mass suicides after one loss.

You can't be coach you're not even dedicated enough to be a member!


That's disgraceful. Mods get this guy off!!! :mad:


Nah.... hes ok..
Sticks and stones.. ive heard worse...

This guy probably thought we were going to win the flag a month ago....

I know for some people they cant get their heads around whats going on.....

still in denial.. its an awful shock.

It is even for me...

but some people look around for something else to blame in their denial.....

its the umpires... its injuries (Essendon* have injuries and so do others).. but yeah whatever makes your boat float.. hit out at me... :lol:

Its cruel whats going on.....

It feels like our window has been slammed shut... not talking premiership window here.... im talking finals window...

3 years...!!!

Enjoyed it.. was great!!!

I was where some people are today 3 or 4 years ago.

It just doesnt hurt as much....

I dont create 'fantasy scapegoats' anymore(umpires.. AFL... Collingwood trojan horses.. our indigneous group of footballers...injuries.....etc .. etc .....etc)... i just want the imbeciles who are running this club into the ground gone.


Hey sinners, I always thought you had broad shoulders, Just for the record I never thought we'd win the flag and I laughed pretty heavily when we were instilled as flag favorites.

I still disagree that our window is shut but I do understand your concerns and angst, I have been content to see the improvement over the last 3 years and I think we are a key position forward and a quality midfielder away from a good side, we are the type of side that needs to have everyone playing out of their skin every week to be a good side, we still don't bat deep enough and that does need to be addressed, as far as the political stuff is concerned I really don't have an opinion one way or another.

I do still believe that Ratts can take us further and I would like to see him at least coach his contract out, and I do get frustrated with what does appear to be a concerted effort to get him sacked and I think that is unfair as he got us to within a kick of a prelim last year, we have shown this year that we are able to play really good footy and that sort of flys in the face of the coach has lost the players theory.

I do genuinely believe that this year has been a shit year for a lot of different reasons and that we will recover from it and be back in the top end mix next year, if not then serious questions need to be asked and changes need to be made.

Finally I apologise for the cheap shots that is my frustration at quite a few things not just the footy, thanks for taking it on the chin and I guess You have a couple of credits which I will cop sweet.

In the end we all want the same thing, which is a successful Carlton side, we just have different opinion.

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I saw Henderson take a few strong marks up forward early in the first quarter and looked a likely target up forward - then I saw Petrie take a few marks and kick a few goals - then Henderson gets sent back - the Petrie take a few more marks and kick a few more goals - then I saw Ratten shrug his shoulders .............. GAME OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

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