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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:00 pm 
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Craig Bradley

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Yeah but FM
Look at the last decade
one final win against a shit side
salary cap breaches
coaches sack before their contract up
da da da da da da

I dont like being negative but what is there to be positive

We have been bottom 05,06,07 and look where we are now

Face it the club has got it wrong on so many fronts.

As sinners said, get the broom out


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:58 pm 
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Rod Ashman

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Synbad wrote:
While sticks is there noone will challenge.

Its like that

they know that... the board has almost as many members as the team

Sticks is not the best person for the club.

Right now we need a coach ... process is secondary.

We blew process 5 years ago......

Weve wasted 5 years with that decisions.
We need someone we know something about......

A process may work out but its unknown also.

Adding unknown to 5 years of living in a Cryonic state isnt what we can affiord right now.

These guys are massive bananas.

Not hard to see what happened to Richmond now is it???

Wrong we need a formal process to find a coach. Instant fix. Instant success has only moved us one step forward and 3 back.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:08 pm 
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Season 2013 has to start now... and the board has to act now

Ratten will not coach for the future unless his own future is guaranteed.

So the club needs to:
a. swallow the injuries/umpires excuses and give Ratten his 2013 guarantee

or

b. admit he's not the man for next year and appoint an interim coach with specific instructions

Time for bullshit is over... someone take control

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:10 pm 
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If you want to make changes be proactive not f around!

Coach needs to go NOW! Just doing too much damage and severely hurting club. If we were run as a business he would of been sacked months ago.

Interim coach into the end of the year. Coach for 2013 will be appointed by end of September.

Board meeting in August where all positions are thrown open for vote. FFS someone get a gun president.

Rest of the year ALL players are playing for a spot. No one will be offered contracts etc until new coach is appointed.

Play kids and play them in positions they are suited and let them settle.

Swann and McKay need to go hard for 2-3 very good players to add to list.

Complete overhaul of recruiting area. Get Wells, Hine or Rendell. Get rid of Hughes and Rogers. They are a joke amongst their peers!

New coach to structure development. Northern Blues need to appoint coach that follows what we do at Senior level.

If Ratten gone kids like Casboult, Bootsma, McInness, Dale, Buckley, McCarthy, ROK, Lucas need game time.

Any player playing under injury needs to go in for surgery or rest and be ready for pre season.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:11 pm 
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If we are serious about 2013 you sack ratten now because he has no incentive to play kids. He will just coach for wins that he isn't capable of delivering. More short term thinking that will only produce worse
Draft picks and young players with less experience........when it takes us 30 years to contest for a premiership, remember these types of short term decisions


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:08 pm 
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ThePsychologist is a joke on this board. Pathetic broken one track record.

You can say Ratts isn't bright enough to coach if it's anonymous and it isn't directed at someone on here. :roll:

ThePsychologist isn'ts bright enough to recruit for GC and GWS, let alone bag Rogers and Hughes who are better judges of talent. Funny that he lists names Rogers and Hughes have recruited as players who can play. Poor logic from someone who claims to be a psych.
Pafloyul wrote:
The problem is, there is not much coming through the 'twos' as it is; even if there was, the players they bring in won't perform to any degree that will bring us hope.

No matter what we may or may not learn from the rest of the season, we'll still pin our hopes on trying to nail down our biggest 'weakness' in some heavy handed fashion. Get Boak, Beams, Cloke... whatever. We need a revolution in our outlook, that includes supporters.

I guess we should have let Judd go and left Laidler at Geelong because we don't need a best 22 player.

Nothing wrong with trading for best 22 players.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:23 pm 
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fmurphy30 wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
The problem is, there is not much coming through the 'twos' as it is; even if there was, the players they bring in won't perform to any degree that will bring us hope.

No matter what we may or may not learn from the rest of the season, we'll still pin our hopes on trying to nail down our biggest 'weakness' in some heavy handed fashion. Get Boak, Beams, Cloke... whatever. We need a revolution in our outlook, that includes supporters.


We won't know until they play and get exposed at senior level. Watson has been good since he came up (but whoever came up with the idea of him being a ruckman should be shot). I believe we have a reasonable list but limited depth. The depth has to be developed by playing. Geelong developed its list in the twos but they play for the same club to the same structure, with a mixture of senior players for guidance and at their home ground. We get none of those things. If we rate the talent we have, then play them and find out (Collingwood routinely does).

If we don't rate them, we have to trade/delist them. I don't think that is necessary as I rate the talent.

Even if the kids (Buckley, McCarthy, Mitchell, Dale et al) are not ready, we need to fast track their development for depth purposes. They don't have to all play next week but they should all play at least 2-3 games before the end of the year.

Well said Fraser. The year is shot. Most of these youngsters you mention aren't ready but they need to be played regardless to see what they can do and give them invaluable senior experience. Injured players need to be rested or to have surgery that would normally be planned for later. If we drop further down the ladder who cares. A higher draft pick wont hurt.

The reason this won't happen is that Ratts is fighting for his life. If he had confidence that he would continue next year then he might be able to do the "correct" thing. But if could just scrape us into the 8 he probably gives himself a chance, at least in his own mind. The assistants probably think the same way. This is why a change of coach now with a guarantee for the next 3 years would probably be best. The assault on 2013 should begin now.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:26 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
ThePsychologist is a joke on this board. Pathetic broken one track record.

You can say Ratts isn't bright enough to coach if it's anonymous and it isn't directed at someone on here. :roll:

ThePsychologist isn'ts bright enough to recruit for GC and GWS, let alone bag Rogers and Hughes who are better judges of talent. Funny that he lists names Rogers and Hughes have recruited as players who can play. Poor logic from someone who claims to be a psych.
Pafloyul wrote:
The problem is, there is not much coming through the 'twos' as it is; even if there was, the players they bring in won't perform to any degree that will bring us hope.

No matter what we may or may not learn from the rest of the season, we'll still pin our hopes on trying to nail down our biggest 'weakness' in some heavy handed fashion. Get Boak, Beams, Cloke... whatever. We need a revolution in our outlook, that includes supporters.

I guess we should have let Judd go and left Laidler at Geelong because we don't need a best 22 player.

Nothing wrong with trading for best 22 players.


Kouta, youve been harping on about how great everybody is.

Weve all seen it... :donk:



let Psychologist have a say.
Our recruitent development and coahing are horrific

surely you cant compare our recruiters to some of the others out there....

if you could we wouldnt be 12th with 3 number 1 picks and Judd

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:34 pm 
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Not sure how drafting/recruitment can be resolutely judged when development has many question marks hanging over it.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:38 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Not sure how drafting/recruitment can be resolutely judged when development has many question marks hanging over it.

Its all tied in together

Same people setting up

Its safe to aassume.. those that are ssetting them all up are @#$%&! them all up together

Anyway.. easiest way to do this is scrap and start again.

Cos youll never know whats not [REDACTED] up in all that mess.

There is no baby in this bathwater....

you just get the best people available ..... safe to assume ours arent them....

Cos there is nothing great about anything we do that we can see and judge...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:41 pm 
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Kerr as an example - talented kid, but have we gotten the best out of him ? - not on your life I reckon


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:40 pm 
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Wake up to yourselves....2012 is a disaster.
2012 is a huge disaster.
I understand the disaster between 2002 and 2009, but to say 2012 is blamed exclusively on injury is too simple.

I watch the players play without cohesion....whilst you admire the craftmanship required to carve a team up...yep...even the Kangas.
I see these players not playing for the coach....there's no spirit.
The coach is not moving these guys emotionally.
We beat the Pies because they don't hunt us, and let us do our thing....during the H&A.

I love my club...this club...your club, but I'm fed up with this shit...and shit it is. Piss weak effort

It's obvious to me that it's time to put the microscope on everyone at the club...and then the broom.
Why not? Give me one reason why we shouldn't be planning on 2013 right now!!!! ONE!

Can't move forward with Ratts coaching the team.
We can't move forward whilst Sticks lets Ratts run the team like this for the remainder of the year.
It may be bad luck...sure...but it may be more than that...I don't want a repaet of 2012...I want change.
You all know Ratts will not be there beyond 2012...so why not staret the revolution NOW!!!!

Every team has injuries, and yes we've been struck a beauty this year but why do other clubs continue to be successful with shit loads of injuries...Hawks last year, WCE and Bombers this year....@#$%&! me dead,,,there's something seriously wrong with the club.

Denial and excuses .....cheat rubbish...aint going to help.

Synbad may be a goose to some, but he has been consistent even when things seemd OK.
Synbad's opinion has trumped the lot of us with rose coloured glasses...admit it.
If you're in denial, there's no point hanging shit on Synners position....you're in denial.

Tell me....anyone...why should we keep the status quo as it stands in round...who carses what round it is...it's over...we will not win the flag this year and I'm not interested in maybe making the finals because I know the Kangas, the Saints and most likely, the Tigers will all end up ahead of us this year....time to look at improving the future NOW!!!!!!!


Start the @#$%&! search for the new coach NOW!!!!!!!
2012 is over if its a flag we're after.
We are a rabble.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:48 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Wake up to yourselves....2012 is a disaster.
2012 is a huge disaster.
I understand the disaster between 2002 and 2009, but to say 2012 is blamed exclusively on injury is too simple.

I watch the players play without cohesion....whilst you admire the craftmanship required to carve a team up...yep...even the Kangas.
I see these players not playing for the coach....there's no spirit.
The coach is not moving these guys emotionally.
We beat the Pies because they don't hunt us, and let us do our thing....during the H&A.

I love my club...this club...your club, but I'm fed up with this shit...and shit it is. Piss weak effort

It's obvious to me that it's time to put the microscope on everyone at the club...and then the broom.
Why not? Give me one reason why we shouldn't be planning on 2013 right now!!!! ONE!

Can't move forward with Ratts coaching the team.
We can't move forward whilst Sticks lets Ratts run the team like this for the remainder of the year.
It may be bad luck...sure...but it may be more than that...I don't want a repaet of 2012...I want change.
You all know Ratts will not be there beyond 2012...so why not staret the revolution NOW!!!!

Every team has injuries, and yes we've been struck a beauty this year but why do other clubs continue to be successful with shit loads of injuries...Hawks last year, WCE and Bombers this year....!@#$%& me dead,,,there's something seriously wrong with the club.

Denial and excuses .....cheat rubbish...aint going to help.

Synbad may be a goose to some, but he has been consistent even when things seemd OK.
Synbad's opinion has trumped the lot of us with rose coloured glasses...admit it.
If you're in denial, there's no point hanging shit on Synners position....you're in denial.

Tell me....anyone...why should we keep the status quo as it stands in round...who carses what round it is...it's over...we will not win the flag this year and I'm not interested in maybe making the finals because I know the Kangas, the Saints and most likely, the Tigers will all end up ahead of us this year....time to look at improving the future NOW!!!!!!!


Start the !@#$%& search for the new coach NOW!!!!!!!
2012 is over if its a flag we're after.
We are a rabble.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:53 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Wake up to yourselves....2012 is a disaster.
2012 is a huge disaster.
I understand the disaster between 2002 and 2009, but to say 2012 is blamed exclusively on injury is too simple.

I watch the players play without cohesion....whilst you admire the craftmanship required to carve a team up...yep...even the Kangas.
I see these players not playing for the coach....there's no spirit.
The coach is not moving these guys emotionally.
We beat the Pies because they don't hunt us, and let us do our thing....during the H&A.

I love my club...this club...your club, but I'm fed up with this shit...and shit it is. Piss weak effort

It's obvious to me that it's time to put the microscope on everyone at the club...and then the broom.
Why not? Give me one reason why we shouldn't be planning on 2013 right now!!!! ONE!

Can't move forward with Ratts coaching the team.
We can't move forward whilst Sticks lets Ratts run the team like this for the remainder of the year.
It may be bad luck...sure...but it may be more than that...I don't want a repaet of 2012...I want change.
You all know Ratts will not be there beyond 2012...so why not staret the revolution NOW!!!!

Every team has injuries, and yes we've been struck a beauty this year but why do other clubs continue to be successful with shit loads of injuries...Hawks last year, WCE and Bombers this year....!@#$%& me dead,,,there's something seriously wrong with the club.

Denial and excuses .....cheat rubbish...aint going to help.

Synbad may be a goose to some, but he has been consistent even when things seemd OK.
Synbad's opinion has trumped the lot of us with rose coloured glasses...admit it.
If you're in denial, there's no point hanging shit on Synners position....you're in denial.

Tell me....anyone...why should we keep the status quo as it stands in round...who carses what round it is...it's over...we will not win the flag this year and I'm not interested in maybe making the finals because I know the Kangas, the Saints and most likely, the Tigers will all end up ahead of us this year....time to look at improving the future NOW!!!!!!!


Start the !@#$%& search for the new coach NOW!!!!!!!
2012 is over if its a flag we're after.
We are a rabble.


Couldn't agree more. There is little to gain, much to lose with Ratten there, and nothing to lose, plenty to gain/salvage by bringing forward the inevitable.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:09 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
We can't move forward whilst Sticks lets Ratts run the team like this for the remainder of the year.

The trouble is Sticks will remain.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:15 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
We can't move forward whilst Sticks lets Ratts run the team like this for the remainder of the year.

The trouble is Sticks will remain.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:54 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Wake up to yourselves....2012 is a disaster.
2012 is a huge disaster.
I understand the disaster between 2002 and 2009, but to say 2012 is blamed exclusively on injury is too simple.

I watch the players play without cohesion....whilst you admire the craftmanship required to carve a team up...yep...even the Kangas.
I see these players not playing for the coach....there's no spirit.
The coach is not moving these guys emotionally.
We beat the Pies because they don't hunt us, and let us do our thing....during the H&A.

I love my club...this club...your club, but I'm fed up with this shit...and shit it is. Piss weak effort

It's obvious to me that it's time to put the microscope on everyone at the club...and then the broom.
Why not? Give me one reason why we shouldn't be planning on 2013 right now!!!! ONE!

Can't move forward with Ratts coaching the team.
We can't move forward whilst Sticks lets Ratts run the team like this for the remainder of the year.
It may be bad luck...sure...but it may be more than that...I don't want a repaet of 2012...I want change.
You all know Ratts will not be there beyond 2012...so why not staret the revolution NOW!!!!

Every team has injuries, and yes we've been struck a beauty this year but why do other clubs continue to be successful with shit loads of injuries...Hawks last year, WCE and Bombers this year....!@#$%& me dead,,,there's something seriously wrong with the club.

Denial and excuses .....cheat rubbish...aint going to help.

Synbad may be a goose to some, but he has been consistent even when things seemd OK.
Synbad's opinion has trumped the lot of us with rose coloured glasses...admit it.
If you're in denial, there's no point hanging shit on Synners position....you're in denial.

Tell me....anyone...why should we keep the status quo as it stands in round...who carses what round it is...it's over...we will not win the flag this year and I'm not interested in maybe making the finals because I know the Kangas, the Saints and most likely, the Tigers will all end up ahead of us this year....time to look at improving the future NOW!!!!!!!


Start the !@#$%& search for the new coach NOW!!!!!!!
2012 is over if its a flag we're after.
We are a rabble.


:smoking: well said Bondi....and to think we played together :smoking:


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:24 pm 
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We need to cut the subliminal footballers the ones that show traces of brilliances then vanish for weeks

We have a plethora of them

We need to ditch leading teams

We need new fitness team
We need an entirely new coaching set up
We need a new recruitment focus

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:00 pm 
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Well said, Bondi.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:21 pm 
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Coach has lost the playing group they have no faith in ratts and don,t blame them


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