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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:44 pm 
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What he did was worse in my opinion than Wellingham on Simpson. CJ, 'due' to his stupidity deserves everything that he gets.

I take it Adams is out for 4 weeks then?

Seriously, settle down people... he'll get a week at most.

Jamo will also get a week... yey, our first tribunal reports for 2012.

If there's anything in the Joseph incident, it will get picked up on Monday as well.

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What I want to know is how someone so committed to environmental issues :razz: , could do something like this to a fellow human being.

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am i the only one that saw Thomas hit Joseph in the guts behind play?

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am i the only one that saw Thomas hit Joseph in the guts behind play?


I think the umps paid it down field.

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:51 pm 
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Geez, hard on Judd. Give him the benefit of the doubt for gods sake. The ball was pinned underneath, the arm was held to stop the north player clearing the ball, the intent was surely to get a holding the ball decision. It looked clumsy and the shoulder was hurt, but geez. Were you critics actually at the game last night and see it or at you just parroting media commentary and select video footage. Those of us at the game who saw it happen in real time didn't even blink and thought nothing of it.

He gets treated way more harshly BECAUSE he is Chris Judd. That previous "pressure point" suspension was a total joke, and really only perpetuated because Judd was being a smart arse and the club erred in appealing.


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This was discussed on radio this morning. General feeling is 2 weeks but he could go straight to the tribunal due to the unusual incident. Jamo is a dill and will also go for at least 2 weeks. Bet Zeibell gets off though.
This really is turning out to be the season from hell.


heard the same crap on SEN as well.

how can they say Ziebell was going for the ball.
If zielbell was going for the ball, he would of had his arm above his head to hit the ball.
nope, he went side on, tucked his arm along his side and jumped off the ground and didn't even touch the ball...

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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- Leigh Adams on ABC wrote:
"I think everyone except me is probably in a better position to comment on the actual injury. I was stuck at the bottom of the pack and obviously felt the arm get pulled and it was a pretty uncomfortable position, but I'm not sure of what he [Judd] was trying to do. Hopefully he gets off. I don't think there was much in it and I was able to come back on and play the rest of the game."

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In WA the views range from

"malicious intent" and 6 weeks, maybe the season from James Clement on ABC Radio to nothing in it and a fine from Karl Langdon on 6PR.

I had to send a text to ABC suggesting that James should stick to financial planning because his understanding of legal terms lacked credibility.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:01 pm 
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Ok guys.... I love the bloke but seriously.

What would 'WE ALL' be saying if it was Juddy at the base of that pack and Adams doing it to him?

Then we watch, heart in mouth as he grabs his shoulder grimacing and he then heads off into the rooms....

I wouldn't want Adams suspended if he had grabbed Judd's arm like that. Adams went off because Judd was pushed as he held the arm. That rotated Adams' dodgy and already strapped shoulder 90 degrees. It's as piss weak as Porplyzia getting knocked out because Thornton pushed him into Steven Browne. The muppets suspended Browne before we challenged it and got him off.

If that's very stupid, then the AFL needs to hire netball umpires. They would probably do a better job.


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- Leigh Adams on ABC wrote:
"I think everyone except me is probably in a better position to comment on the actual injury. I was stuck at the bottom of the pack and obviously felt the arm get pulled and it was a pretty uncomfortable position, but I'm not sure of what he [Judd] was trying to do. Hopefully he gets off. I don't think there was much in it and I was able to come back on and play the rest of the game."



So the only person traumatised by the incident is Heaves.

Hope he get's some counselling. :roll:

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Fortunate there was no serious damage - 2 weeks as a deterrent to others - don't need chicken wing tackles in the game


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:27 pm 
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Juddy was once the diet consummate. (Players following his salad example). Now he sees a dirty, greasy chicken wing just lying there and can`t help himself. This is what we have done to him.


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linchpin wrote:
Ok guys.... I love the bloke but seriously.

What would 'WE ALL' be saying if it was Juddy at the base of that pack and Adams doing it to him?

Then we watch, heart in mouth as he grabs his shoulder grimacing and he then heads off into the rooms....

I wouldn't want Adams suspended if he had grabbed Judd's arm like that. Adams went off because Judd was pushed as he held the arm. That rotated Adams' dodgy and already strapped shoulder 90 degrees. It's as piss weak as Porplyzia getting knocked out because Thornton pushed him into Steven Browne. The muppets suspended Browne before we challenged it and got him off.

If that's very stupid, then the AFL needs to hire netball umpires. They would probably do a better job.


Already got 'em.

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Juddy was once the diet consummate. (Players following his salad example). Now he sees a dirty, greasy chicken wing just lying there and can`t help himself. This is what we have done to him.


:lol: Like it.

On the topic of the tribunal though I think we all need to take a step back and understand just how fortunate we've been
at the tribunal this year. I mean how Simpson didn't go for head-butting Wellingdog I do not know. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:15 pm 
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I personally didn't think anything of it.

The media get on something and beat it up or beat it down depending on what is best for their outlet.

I can't say it's any worse then what Hunt did on Betts.

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:22 pm 
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Dirko wrote:
I personally didn't think anything of it.

The media get on something and beat it up or beat it down depending on what is best for their outlet.

I can't say it's any worse then what Hunt did on Betts.


GEELONG defender Josh Hunt has escaped with just a fine from the AFL tribunal after being put under the microscope for standing on the hand of Carlton's Eddie Betts.

Hunt was charged with misconduct and fined $1350 today despite having 43.51 carry over points and a 40 per cent loading for a bad tribunal record.


Hunt pinned Betts' right arm to the turf with his boot in an attempt to stop the sneaky Carlton forward from handballing the ball clear during the first quarter of Geelong's win on Friday night.

In the end it probably means that Judd will get 10 weeks

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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Pressure points and chicken wing, Judd is not going to be remembered for just his football the way he is going.

He held the arm and then wrenched it back causing Adam's shoulder to pop out. Reminded me if the situation for the pressure point incident opposition player Powerless on the ground and Judd does something stupid.

"Adams' shoulder suffered a subluxation, meaning it slipped out and then back into the socket, and he had been sent for scans"

Medium impact? High Impact?

Imagine its S. Milne doing this to Murphy/Carazzos shoulder in round 23 every Carlton fan would be spewing.

Still Welliingham only got 3 weeks for attempted murder.


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Gav , if it was Milne or someone doing it it wouldn't make any difference to me because if it's identical I'd know its not intentional.

What was Judd's intent. ? That's the only important question.

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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:34 pm 
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Gavstar22 wrote:
Pressure points and chicken wing, Judd is not going to be remembered for just his football the way he is going.

He held the arm and then wrenched it back causing Adam's shoulder to pop out. Reminded me if the situation for the pressure point incident opposition player Powerless on the ground and Judd does something stupid.

"Adams' shoulder suffered a subluxation, meaning it slipped out and then back into the socket, and he had been sent for scans"

Medium impact? High Impact?

Imagine its S. Milne doing this to Murphy/Carazzos shoulder in round 23 every Carlton fan would be spewing.

Still Welliingham only got 3 weeks for attempted murder.

It is going to be interesting with the medical report on Adams. He went back onto the ground and only went off in the last quarter after he received another knock to it. Will the tribunal/MRP take this into account or not? If the medical report says the injury was sustained in this incident then North would be negligent in sending him back onto the field. A grey area as there is no certainty when the damage occurred.


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 Post subject: Re: Judd incident Vs NM
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Scans have revealed shoulder damage, Adam's "might not be able to train early this week and is in doubt for Sunday's clash with Richmond"

Interestingly "I do have that shoulder heavily strapped ... I have been carrying it for about two weeks now," he said.

So shoulder already injured so hard to say what damage came from Judd? Might work in Judd's favour.

Intent? What was Judd's intent in the pressure point incident? The action went beyond a simple hold of the arm needed to stop handball.

Maybe my expectation that my Captain should have impeccable behaviour is holding him to too high a standard? Perhaps we should admit that he is human after all.

Edit "It is not like it is a new injury. I couldn't really position my body to make it any easier on myself with a couple of blokes on top of me."

So damage could have happened anyway?

Might be only a week? Reasonable doubt?


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