The cue went in the rack in the 2nd qtr when North worked back hard and clogged up our forward half - we aren't drilled well enough to pick this tactic apart and everything else falls apart as a consequence and the capitulation occurs.

Crap. He couldn't do anything because the team is mentally shot. A little bit of pressure and we crumble. We look great in space but an opposition presses or put on pressure around the ball we are lost. We have no answer. THAT is the coaches fault/responsibility. This has been a constant eroding of belief in what we do. We aren't just losing we are getting thrashed. If it wasn't for some real individual talent from Judd, Betts we would losing by heaps more.

Dont sugar coat what is happening, we are shocking and something needs to be done.

Rattens reaction is always to shuffle the deck chairs. He has nothing else. Its like watching 80s football.

Henderson to defence. Gibbs to midfield to defence to forward. Betts to FF. McLean in McLean out. Duigan forward. Yarran back to forward. Lucas playing nowhere near his preferred position. AJ Tagging. Carrazzo our best ball winner tagging. Most sides don't tag at all. We always react to the opposition instead of playing our game.

Anyone who watches Carlton know prior to the game what Ratten will do. How easy must it be for the opposition coaches???

We are rudderless and the saving grace if we get MM is that he won't bow to Sticks and the board of nincompoops.

and every opposition coach knows it!

and every opposition coach besides figjam knows it!

Psyc I am not trying to sugar coat it, I am just trying to get an understanding of what could be done last night after the ball was bounced please enlighten me.

I had to get off after 2 minutes of reading.
It's not pretty.

They got with in 18 points and were flying and nuff nuff Jamo gave away his 4th free kick in front of goal and it sapped all the momentum from then on they gave up
They played all over north in the 2nd quarter they just could not score

I think Ratts would have a tall marking forward if there were one available. And I'm not including Thornton in that. In a few weeks we will have Waite, casboult and Mitchell all fit and firing but the season will be long wasted by then.

We need to reload for the Dogs and get some games into the people we want to play next year and beyond.

One point is we are shot before we even run out.

Two when you plan all week for a match you don't chage it all around after 20 minutes.

I watched them live last night and the body language and talk for pathetic. Basics.

How can a team have confidence when everything keeps changing. How many positional changes did north have lady night?

The one period in the second quarter when we fought back was purely on the back of Judd, nothing else. North held their nerve and structure and got back on top. In other words they new what to do and also what their teammates are doing.

Your saying we were shot before we ran out, that may or may not have been the case, if that is the case is it not the responsibility of the players to take care of their own mental attitude especially after a solid win the week before, or does the coach have to have 22 emergencies available in case the precious little darlings don't feel like it on the day, does he have to hold their hands and help them put their jumpers on in case they break a nail, I don't think so!
These blokes are being paid large amounts of money to do their jobs, so it is on them to bring the right attitude to the game.

It is fine to plan for the game all week but those plans are not worth a fanny full of cold water when you lose 3 players inside a half of a game and are already carrying in 2 players who have missed a fair bit of footy and you are scraping for tall players, and playing a side with a tall forward line and one of those forwards is looking like having a day out, moving Henderson back was a rob Peter to pay Paul situation and where has Henderson played his best football for the club? In the backline if my memory serves me correctly.

It makes it difficult for players to have confidence and play to structures when changes have been made, but those changes weren't made for the fun of it, they were made because our original structures went to the shithouse when we lost those players and the coaching panel were trying to find a way to make things work.

What would have you done that would have been able to limit the impact that North's forwards had on the game, give us a target to kick to and solve the problem of being 2 down for half a game and still keep freshness and run in the legs of our on ballers, but you must also allow for the fact that one of those on ballers has been out for seven weeks and was going to run out of puff later in the game.

We tried to get ourselves back into the game and at one stage had got to within 13 points we couldn't sustain it, simple as that.

You talk about the North players being able to know what each other was doing and that is largely due to the fact that the side has had continuity, we have not been able to field a settled team since round 4 so of course there will be problems with players gelling with each other, but to you that is just another excuse.

Ratten and the match committe have made mistakes and decisions that we have found confusing to say the least but it !@#$%& pisses me off that every time we drop a game it is their fault, when do the players get treated like adults and made accountable for their poor decisions, I'm pretty sure the coach didn't have those shots at goal that missed and I'm pretty sure it was Jamison and not Ratten that dropped his knees into Petrie's back, who is responsible for those actions?

Please tell me what positional moves could have been made last night to change the outcome.

If you can't please get off the coaches back and place the blame on the 22 adults that went out on the ground, if you still feel you need to blame someone or just face the fact that it was a horror night where nothing went right.

How many positional changes did north have lady night?

So basically, 12 pages later, we want Malthouse and a negro league?

Your saying we were shot before we ran out, that may or may not have been the case, if that is the case is it not the responsibility of the players to take care of their own mental attitude especially after a solid win the week before, or does the coach have to have 22 emergencies available in case the precious little darlings don't feel like it on the day, does he have to hold their hands and help them put their jumpers on in case they break a nail, I don't think so!
These blokes are being paid large amounts of money to do their jobs, so it is on them to bring the right attitude to the game.

It is fine to plan for the game all week but those plans are not worth a fanny full of cold water when you lose 3 players inside a half of a game and are already carrying in 2 players who have missed a fair bit of footy and you are scraping for tall players, and playing a side with a tall forward line and one of those forwards is looking like having a day out, moving Henderson back was a rob Peter to pay Paul situation and where has Henderson played his best football for the club? In the backline if my memory serves me correctly.

It makes it difficult for players to have confidence and play to structures when changes have been made, but those changes weren't made for the fun of it, they were made because our original structures went to the shithouse when we lost those players and the coaching panel were trying to find a way to make things work.

What would have you done that would have been able to limit the impact that North's forwards had on the game, give us a target to kick to and solve the problem of being 2 down for half a game and still keep freshness and run in the legs of our on ballers, but you must also allow for the fact that one of those on ballers has been out for seven weeks and was going to run out of puff later in the game.

We tried to get ourselves back into the game and at one stage had got to within 13 points we couldn't sustain it, simple as that.

You talk about the North players being able to know what each other was doing and that is largely due to the fact that the side has had continuity, we have not been able to field a settled team since round 4 so of course there will be problems with players gelling with each other, but to you that is just another excuse.

Ratten and the match committe have made mistakes and decisions that we have found confusing to say the least but it !@#$%& pisses me off that every time we drop a game it is their fault, when do the players get treated like adults and made accountable for their poor decisions, I'm pretty sure the coach didn't have those shots at goal that missed and I'm pretty sure it was Jamison and not Ratten that dropped his knees into Petrie's back, who is responsible for those actions?

Please tell me what positional moves could have been made last night to change the outcome.

If you can't please get off the coaches back and place the blame on the 22 adults that went out on the ground, if you still feel you need to blame someone or just face the fact that it was a horror night where nothing went right.

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