Probably because ruckmen get injured a lot.

Essendon* cheated, simple as that

I don't think anyone doubts Kruise - or few

or Warnock

but it seems overkill to have them both

and Hampson

and especially when we had Jacobs.

For Jacobs - he left but would he have left if we were building a duo - him and Kruise?

Fact is we went Jacobs Hampson Kruise and Warnock hoping 1 would get it right.

if that wasn't overkill I don't know what was.

Or did they think Kruise would be our CHF - if so wrong. He is a ruckman. Perhaps a great ruckman if injuries give him a chance.

All of them are no 1 ruckmen (with Hammer maybe being the exception and able to become the forward)

why have 3 obvious no 1 ruckmen

so we lose Jacobs

but we still have 2 (and Hammer)


can Kruise and Warnock play in the same side? yes but who rucks no 1? Warnock or Kruise. If Kruise what do you do with Warnock? Sit him on the pine.

If Warnock what do you do with Kruise? (and are you paying Peter to rob Paul? - or however that goes...)

Both are ruckmen but those thinking they could play both on ball forget it - Kruise would be killed on the spread if he was playing a midfield role.

He is a ruckman - not much else (certainly not yet, perhaps not for another 6 years or so).

Warnock is a ruckman and nothing else.

why did we feel the need for both of them -both fighting for the no 1 mantle at the same time!@!!!!

and why when we had Jacobs

and why Hampson?

of all our recruiting its the ruckmen strategy that I don't get.

The ideal situation would have been to;
A - Not get Warnock
B - Trade Hammer to GC for a couple of picks
C - Offer Jacobs the world to stay and love him dearly
D - Make Kreuzer and Jacobs our ruck combo
E - Recruit another via the draft to develop as back up.

We would now have the equal best ruck combo in the comp and some handy picks up the sleeve.

Factors in the clubs favour are as pointed out up until last year pre sub rule 2 rucks played each game. Mainly changing off the bench.
Jacobs was the first of the 3 to come out of contract so went home for a proper contract and the promise of being no 1 ruck.
Kruezer seen more as a second ruck/ forward / follower. Against Jolly he is no. 1 ruck but it is only a matter of time before we lose a game from not getting enough hit outs and teams putting massive work into K 's around the ground influence.

Against the club. Jacobs looks a better option than Warnock at the moment as a tap ruck and is more durable than both Hampson and Jacobs.

There is still time for this ruck saga to play out and to be proven a good move by CFC.

I think when the club looked at Jacobs they maybe thought he would go the way of most players of that complexsion - very good in the teens and early twenties but fade away later - Well if they didn't I did
Whitnal- Hardie- Cooney to name a few - But Jacobs wasn't at the other guys level early on so maybe they thought the drop off would be steep. I cant think of a pasty ginger nut that has played good footy late into their 20's or early 30's

Carlton has no doubt wasted to many early draft picks on ruckman -
I have doubts about Hampson ever making it as a forward but he is a good ruckman
I have doubts about Kruez every being a dominate tap ruckman but he is good around the ground
I have doubts if Warnock will be anything other than a tap ruckman

and so to my next question

is we think (and I agree with you) that Carlton wasted too many early picks on ruckmen - do you think there is a reason - ie a flaw in their list management - and have we remedied said flaw (if you think it exists)?

Kruezer is an undersized ruckman. Very good below his knees and works his butt off when the ball is in dispute and on the ground. For mine his marking is below par - gets his hands on plenty but not strong enough to hold them. Watch him and you will see he never demands the ball be kicked to him - maybe its part of his "Humphry"like nature. He has a long way to go to become one of the best in the comp. Long way.

Worth no 1? At this moment Jacobs is a better ruckman. But he is young, and coming off a knee reco...

The club has a 2nd opportunity, after failing to do so last year, to cash in with a trade of a ruckman.

Next year we'd have 2 pure ruckmen + Casboult & Rowe - and the opportunity to rookie draft a young ruckman from the lower leagues if we wanted.