Simmo's Run Over

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23921

I like the idea that, there should be no 'guilty' plea, or good behaviour saves on a head high, whether reckless or intentional.
That would have been 5 weeks.

The Spornstar · **Posted:** Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:02 am

Wojee wrote:

The points system hasn't worked here.
I was just talking to MW about it (she was appalled when it happened) and she reckons it's patently unfair that Wellingham can return to the field sooner than the bloke he took out. I know there have been a few posters here who reckon the penalty should tie in with the length of time the injured player is out for and I'm starting to agree.

This makes sense on the surface but I don't think it's a good idea. Then it will often come down to luck. Wellingham may do the exact same action to someone next time he plays, but they are lucky and their jaw is fine and they are not concussed. Don't get me wrong, I think Wellingham should be sitting out 5 weeks, but I'm not a fan of basing it on the injury incurred. I feel that if you had the potential to cause injury, even if injury didn't eventuate, you should be just as harshly punished.

Navy Blue Horse · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:39 pm **Posts:** 15848

Another solution would be for the clean record to be disregarded if contact is intentional, or reckless with high or severe impact.

Basically, if you blatantly clean up or king hit someone, your record shouldn't save you.

Juanita Jones · **Joined:** Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:30 pm **Posts:** 4180

Or if you actually mention on TV that you didn't mean to hurt that much should also be taken into consideration.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:18 pm

Five weeks as a penalty is probably about right. The issue here is with the discounts offered.

I suspect karma will catch up with this clown in some form or other.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:35 pm

Buckley just described Wellingdogs act as courageous .

FMD

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:54 pm

Any comment on Heath Shaw's courage?

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(See 20 seconds in.)

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23921

camelboy wrote:

Any comment on Heath Shaw's courage?

yeah, I think a pies supporter stood up to applaud it.

missnaut · **Posted:** Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:09 pm

Juanita Jones wrote:

Or if you actually mention on TV that you didn't mean to hurt that much should also be taken into consideration.

I am really surprised Collingwood did not seem coach him in what to say when asked about the incident.

kingkerna · **Posted:** Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:15 pm

Shaw wasn't too bad, just got out of the way of his moronic teammate

The Rhino · **Joined:** Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:20 pm **Posts:** 6923

If Shaw had bothered to contest, then Wellingham doesn't have to over commit.

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

Yeah good. Wellingham was just minding his own business. It was Simmo's and Shaw's fault.

Warby · **Posted:** Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:36 pm

My Wife just recollected the time Jim O'Dea of St.Kilda knocked out John Greening of Collingwood (a classy ball player like Simmo); and Greening was unconscious for 24 hours.

O'Dea was later disqualified for 10 weeks; and it took Greening 2 years to return to the game.

A brain injury is always possible in these heavy knocks, proved by Greening's shocking incident.

And this was a point I was trying to make to The Rhino yesterday too; that the old VFL Tribunal led by a very hard man; Chairman, and ex Fitzroy player Jack Gaffney; did not tolerate attacks on the unsuspecting player as we saw with Simmo; and 8-10 weeks were fairly common penalties that were handed out in those days.

I still say that 3 weeks for that cowardly act is a joke and a travesty of justice.

in8 · **Joined:** Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:25 am **Posts:** 356

The points reduction for the early guilty plea benefits those who are definitely guilty and punishes players whose guilt is questionable or wish to challenge the tribunal's inconsistency. No idea why it even exists except to save time and money for the AFL.

I also think the good behaviour reduction needs to be looked at. Good behaviour should be expected not rewarded. At the very least it should not apply when an incident reaches a certain threshold such as reckless and high impact.

Taff · **Posted:** Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:55 pm

in8 wrote:

The points reduction for the early guilty plea benefits those who are definitely guilty and punishes players whose guilt is questionable or wish to challenge the tribunal's inconsistency. No idea why it even exists except to save time and money for the AFL.

I also think the good behaviour reduction needs to be looked at. Good behaviour should be expected not rewarded. At the very least it should not apply when an incident reaches a certain threshold such as reckless and high impact.

Excellent response - especially the second paragraph.

kingkerna · **Posted:** Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:01 pm

The Rhino wrote:

If Shaw had bothered to contest, then Wellingham doesn't have to over commit.

Shaw didn't contest because dickface was coming through like a streamtrain and he was late to the contest himself

The Rhino · **Joined:** Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:20 pm **Posts:** 6923

Kinda - Shaw was late to the contest, saw Wellingham, stopped and waited for crumbs instead, miscommunication looks like it ensues, and Wellingham crashes through Simmo.

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

The Spornstar wrote:

Wojee wrote:

The points system hasn't worked here.
I was just talking to MW about it (she was appalled when it happened) and she reckons it's patently unfair that Wellingham can return to the field sooner than the bloke he took out. I know there have been a few posters here who reckon the penalty should tie in with the length of time the injured player is out for and I'm starting to agree.

This makes sense on the surface but I don't think it's a good idea. Then it will often come down to luck. Wellingham may do the exact same action to someone next time he plays, but they are lucky and their jaw is fine and they are not concussed. Don't get me wrong, I think Wellingham should be sitting out 5 weeks, but I'm not a fan of basing it on the injury incurred. I feel that if you had the potential to cause injury, even if injury didn't eventuate, you should be just as harshly punished.

It could work if it's a "Whichever is greater" scenario. If Simmo had have been concussed and his jaw wasn't broken, then the 3 weeks would stand. But with Simmo's jaw broken, the penalty would be 3 weeks, but an additional week to serve because Simmo is out for 4 weeks. The same could apply for any range of injuries inflicted, regardless of intent.

Obviously the exception would be career-ending injuries.

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

Warby wrote:

My Wife just recollected the time Jim O'Dea of St.Kilda knocked out John Greening of Collingwood (a classy ball player like Simmo); and Greening was unconscious for 24 hours.

O'Dea was later disqualified for 10 weeks; and it took Greening 2 years to return to the game.

A brain injury is always possible in these heavy knocks, proved by Greening's shocking incident.

And this was a point I was trying to make to The Rhino yesterday too; that the old VFL Tribunal led by a very hard man; Chairman, and ex Fitzroy player Jack Gaffney; did not tolerate attacks on the unsuspecting player as we saw with Simmo; and 8-10 weeks were fairly common penalties that were handed out in those days.

I still say that 3 weeks for that cowardly act is a joke and a travesty of justice.

To be fair Warbs, O'Dea's was 100 metres behind the play, the two were standing together and O'Dea just elbowed Greening in the temple almost killing him and definitely destroying a career that many thought could've been one of the best of all time. Greening was Collingwood's Motley, a true couldabeen cut down in his prime. At least they had someone to take it out on...... O'Dea the dirty dog - booed for the rest of his career (another 8 years or so) every time StK played Collingwood.

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

The Rhino wrote:

Kinda - Shaw was late to the contest, saw Wellingham, stopped and waited for crumbs instead, miscommunication looks like it ensues, and Wellingham crashes through Simmo.

That's pretty much how I saw it too. Shaw was always late to any contest, and pulled out to see what crumbs came down. Wellingham was a separate incident.

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