Not so much capt Ahab as capt rehab.

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Well done on your research. The deluca / josh kennedy thread was a total joke. A bit like this thread.

Lets change the captain for the sake of changing something - Up there for ideas Rhino

Lets change the coach, president, players, captain, water boys, the massage people etc. It will bring success. Lets destabilize the club completely and change everyone at the club. If we want to take 9th spot off richmond, its a good way of doing it. It has brought them a lot of success.

Goltzenberg appears to abhor change. Suffering ensues.

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STURDYISM!!

nah, it's just a naughty little boy complex!

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Visit http://fromthemoshpit.com/

Bit surprised initially this topic has been raised. But, if we are to have the all encompassing review of everything and everyone, then it's fair that this is on the agenda.
I'm not anti cimm's suggestion re Laidler, but I'd like him back to full fitness before we consider him for higher duties.

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Wonder if CJ supports the coach

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Which one are you Goltz?

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

I have disagreed with Rhino in the past but in this case I'm 100% with him.

Others should stick to horse racing

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The player should be fearless and consistently merit able.

A player that represents the club well.

A player that bleeds Carlton and will fight for the jumper

Conclusions: Carrazzo and Simpson

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They coud'nt.....could they?

Right, I get it. You start a stupid thread, people call you on it, you come back in and laugh it off saying "Haha, it was all just a big joke, haha, I can't believe you all fell for it....although wow, DeLuca's average hitouts per game hey?".

No, no I am not suggesting we change for change's sake. You're clearly incapable of reading something over a sentence long. If you read the bottom paragraph, you will see that I advocate the change, largely on the basis that there is an opportunity to shore up revenue for the rest of the season, and also toward membership for next season.

Answer me these questions:

* - How do you think this year's performance will affect our membership tally for 2013?
* - Reckon our crowd tomorrow night will be bigger or larger than round 3's game?
* - How many sponsorships are up for renewal at the end of the year? How do you think a negative response to the above two questions, will impact on negotiating a better deal?
* - Do you think we have a leadership succession plan in place for Juddy when he calls it a day? Or is it like every other leadership position at the club?

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

BS

I don't care if you change the coach, just get the right one. I don't think Malthouse should be handed the coaching reigns without working for it. Unless you fix the personnel first and get established key forwards, coaching won't change the results.

I'm happy for to trade some of our better players to get key forward, which we are in desperate need.

As for Captain, there is no reason to change it. Changing the captaincy to Simmo or Carrazzo? WTF. Wasn't Simmo our wooden spoon captain back in the day who gave it up to Judd, now we give it back. Lets go backwards. Only Captains in the wake are Gibbs and Murphy, but they are a couple years off. It would never goto Simmo or Carrots now.

Wasn't Judd a AFL Premiership Captain/Player 2006??

Let me give you the dialogue
Ratts 'Hey juddy, you have to step down as captain'
Juddy 'WTF, why?'
Ratts 'Well l was reading the talking carlton threads and apparently we should change it to Simmo or Carrots, for the sake of changing it, they must be better leaders then you'
Juddy 'Who are these morons, im a premiership captain!!. Weren't we 3 points away from a prelim final last season?'
Ratts 'Yeah but the tribe have spoken on talking carlton, doesn't make sense, doesn't have logic, but these are our fans'
Juddy 'Flogs, can't wait for free agency, no respect'

Enough said.

Which one are you Goltz?[/quote]
That is original, l nearly fell off my chair in hysterics.

Could you imagine a forward line next year of Fev, Waite and Cloke. Bring on no.17 if that happened

Totally. I mean it's obvious the competitions focus on midfields and running and tackling and spreading is going to just disappear next year and the whole thing is going to revert to 18 one on one contests across the ground.

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

Malthouse as Coach and off-field Captain.

Problem solved

..Goltz, yer wrong on a couple of things.. ..firstly, Simmo never captained the club in a permanent fashion.. ..while Lance was capt., he lead the side when the bigred was out injured.. ..as did carrots from memory.. ..secondly, Juddy is a prem captain ONLY b/c Cuzzy was enjoying himself too much off-field.. ..this, and the fear [rightfully so] that Judd was heading back home spurtred the eagles to make him captain.. ..if Cuzzy wasnt so reckless he'd have been their prem capt., and was their 'true leader' just the same.. ..it's why he held the prem cup on the dias with capt. and coach..

..i like Judd, a hella lot,, but he walked into our captaincy thru default,, and is too 'high-brow' for a lot of the team to relate to i believe.. ..he's had a huge influence on our club, but his influence [outside of personal on-field ability] is diminishing..

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So we put out the under new management sign? and everyone will join up at members. Winning actually brings members. When you are losing there will be lots of empty seats. Changing the captaincy will not bring in new members. Judd is the marquee player, the face of carlton. When you think of Carlton, you think of Judd. You think of him as a leader and he will be the leader for the next couple years. The players look up to him and respect him.

Putting a Carrazo or Simpson at the front will be like Julia Gillard running the labour party, when you know Ruddy should be leading.

Seeing your responses are around cashflow, marketing blah blah. You bring a player back to the club like Fev and watch the sponsors jump on as you know there will be a million blockbuster games and there will be cinderella story around it all. Like Cousins going back to Richmond. It was a media storm. Sponsors love it as long as the player doesn't go off the rails again.

Only way you can promote your under new management campagin is to get a proven coach like Malthouse, but if you want cashflow, then you will be paying over a mill a season to get him and how many members do you need to make over a mill?

I dont really care about members, cashflow, l want wins. When your winning, everything else is flourishing.

Thank you kindly for your contribution.

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

I'm not afraid of change - but people need to nominate and then get elected by members. No point saying how much we need change when the incumbats were elected a mere 18 months ago.
Where were all the nominees in December 2010 because I didnt see any.

..ahem..

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Whatever Rhino, you sound like Caroline Wilson bringing this thread up. Trying to spark a news article in the paper.

I'm done with this thread, its ridiculous to suggest a change of captaincy. Gibbs or Murphy will be captain in 2-3 years. Happy for you to call me on this then, but there is no way Judd will not be Captain in the coming years. There is no replacement for him at present.

Bye