With a shoulder injury no doubt.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Bring back Wade Twomey

In fairness, I dont think the recruiting has been spudley mcspuddin perhaps with the glaring 2006 which, when you think about it, should have meant 1-3 hardened footy players that we lack this season.

I'm of the opinion that the current list with some tweaks DOES have the capability to have a crack. Also a decent KPF would straighten the entire team up.

There's no doubt the current plight appears to be a combination of injury, a lack of intent at the contest and a very poor coaching & conditioning structure.

Last year wasn't an accident when they were just about in a prelim and played out of their skins. I believe that is more the norm.

It's a fair point at face value it is working for them.
I am of the belief when Corey, Enright, Scarlett & Bartel retire they will be a world of strife. All those Geelong kids bar 2-3 of them are support players at best, Collingwood too.
Collingwood was lucky when Anthony Rocca retired, Cloke just popped up not withstanding their shrewed trading and drafting of Pendelbury. Collingwood will be around for few more years yet..do they lose out on forward structure in Cloke or a a few good players? Could set them back abit..Don't see Jackson Payne being a bonafide key forward like Cloke, Reiwoldt, Clarke, Walker, Tippet even Waite etc

It will balance itself out in the end - we will have room in salary cap but the players really do need to drink a very large cup of cement. Their morale should improve slightly now as it always does when you get hammered. Ratten was insipiring with 'dem fighting words should lift the players that little bit more. We have the better list without a key forward which is obviously killing us.

Crystal clear our development program is far from effective. This, in my opinion, is where one of our black holes are. JK is the classic example. Suddenly at WCE he started becoming the player we'd hope he would become. I remember he was notorious for dropping overhead marks in his two seasons at Carlton. His kicking was not that flash either and some on here were bagging him for it. Suddenly when WCE picked him up, they plugged him into their development program, and the rest is history.
Recruitment has been very ordinary, too. All clubs have their horror stories, and the difference is ours are more on the horror side. Shane Rogers gets his chance and by all reports and what you hear, he seems to be pretty good. Time will judge that, and you cannot help but think how Collingwood and the Cats have still been able to pick up gems in the draft in the past few years from a lower draft position than us

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

I'm as filthy as the rest of you about development but FFS please don't start bagging the club about a trade that 99.9999% thought was gold when it happened.

"Forward Jarrad Waite said today he had set round 17 against the Western Bulldogs for his return from a back injury."

Isn't this second week in a row that he was two weeks away?

efa

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I hope Essendon* folds.

3 Premierships in 5 years - I'll take that world of strife anyday.

And you underestimate Geelong's crop of kids coming through - Guthrie, Christenson, Murdoch others too numerous to mention By the time Corey, Enright Scarlett & Bartel et al retire these kids will be well blooded/developed/groomed .

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

If we lose to Collingwood and North by then who cares!

Time to build a forward line around others.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Jarran Waite -hip 2 weeks

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Reckon he'll play one, and that's all we'll see of him this year

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"I had to eat"

Whats the point of even playing him is what i am thinking

Back for the Bulldogs game????

Just send him off to make glue....

or at least get him right for next year....

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That's pretty simplistic, in fact, who was around after we drafted Benjamin? It's one thing to acknowledge that players have talent and another to question whether we should have actually taken them in that drafting position. Gibbs looked like a star pre-draft so the logic was sound there and yet a player like Kreuzer had a hip condition which we knew about pre-draft and he always was a smallish ruckman who lacked explosiveness and yet Cotchin was there for the taking.

However, I think out main problem is lack of draft presence and probably a too weighted definition of 'best available'.

Everybody is thinking in terms of how we actually are now instead of where we need to be when we get out of this mess. Even slightly poor recruiting is not good enough.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Absolutely right. Even if they are inexperienced and underdone, lets find any of those tall forwards we drafted in 2009-2010 and give them a game. If anyone with 2 working shoulders can survive 4 quarters we will be 2 games closer to having a tall forward. Tell Krooz to have a spell and get his knee right while we are at it.

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"Who discovered we could get milk from cows, and what did he think he was doing at the time?" Billy Connolly

Which one? Anyway, there is the 0.0001 percent that spoke up (probably me) and the rest that remained silent.

Whether it's the actually drafting or not, it is painfully obvious that we lack depth. Being impatient in terms of results and far too complacent in terms of players who will never win us a flag, is likely to do that to you.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

GWS referring to the Judd/Kennedy swap.

Our depths is woeful.

Has Kreuzer shrunk since he smashed Maric, Jolly and Mumford in the last 25 games?

16 clubs obviously believed Jacobs was too slow, fat and short to be a number one ruck. Yet you're potting Kreuzer who is a better footballer, kick, athlete, kick for goal and mark. This board is full of draft experts who would have dominated musical chairs by knocking others off the seat after the music had finished.

We still had to pick the right one with our pick. The recruiting team came into play for Betts. Pagan would have been the one keen on Knobel.

You can only judge a club on who they pick. Not who they miss out on. If every club made a list of players they were going to pick it would make for interesting reading.

Ridiculous to bring it up really.

Itss not ridiculous as we clearly rated Knobel as a better prospect than Eddie.
And we rated a swag of other footballers higher than Betts.
That's including Russell.(As did everybody else.. but i dont care what everybody else did)

FWIW... i was the one happy the AFL were going to rob us of Knobel and gift us Eddie.
If we can find that thread in here id love to bring it up again....and re read it...!!!!

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Well played.

Still that goes back to the coach at the time wanting a ruckman. In the end we had to pick someone and we got Betts.

I am sure we wanted Hurley but got Yarran.