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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:30 pm 
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I'm quite sure the club has an annual QA audit. You don't release internal QA audits to the general public. Bruce would know that.

I've been part of enough internal audits to know they're all part of a sugarcoating exercise.

Kinda like an alcoholic being asked to quit and given the responsibilty of hiding his own alcohol.

External audits are the way to go if you're serious about improving your business.

Do we have the balls?


Internal is processes and controls.
External is financial.

You can have an internal audit performed by an external party if that is what you mean.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:32 pm 
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Wayne Hughes has already been demoted. If he wasn't looking elsewhere as I type, I'd be very surprised. Keen to see Shane Rogers in the top job. He's unearthed some gems. Deserves his chance.

I hope Hughes stays. Every club needs a recruiter who has unearthed some gems and roughies who play their role. I wish we could tell how these name recruiters would look if their club were in Carlton's position between 2004 and 2006. And their clubs had traded their fair share of second rounders between 2007 and 2009.

Ok you can be in charge of the recruiting review,,,,

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:56 pm 
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Great too see you follow your Hicks buddy and enter the dark side with us.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:57 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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Wayne Hughes has already been demoted. If he wasn't looking elsewhere as I type, I'd be very surprised. Keen to see Shane Rogers in the top job. He's unearthed some gems. Deserves his chance.

I hope Hughes stays. Every club needs a recruiter who has unearthed some gems and roughies who play their role. I wish we could tell how these name recruiters would look if their club were in Carlton's position between 2004 and 2006. And their clubs had traded their fair share of second rounders between 2007 and 2009.

Ok you can be in charge of the recruiting review,,,,



Tell me it wasn't Shane Rogers who pushed for us to select Sam Rowe at Pick 44 at last years National Draft instead of us selecting Jordan Murdoch - then I might have more confidence in Shane Rogers doing a better job. :?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:58 pm 
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Rowe is better than ipod!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:00 pm 
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Tell me it wasn't Shane Rogers who pushed for us to select Sam Rowe at Pick 44 at last years National Draft instead of us selecting Jordan Murdoch - then I might have more confidence in Shane Rogers doing a better job. :?


Please dont bring that up. Really makes me angry that decision. Based purely on ego. We could of had Murdoch and then had Rowe later. :mad:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:10 pm 
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It looked like the recruitment team/football department didn't rate the draft too highly and therefore only went in with a few picks. The other issue is if we did use some extra picks on players like Murdoch would we be able to develop them?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:27 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:32 pm 
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Effes wrote:
It looked like the recruitment team/football department didn't rate the draft too highly and therefore only went in with a few picks. The other issue is if we did use some extra picks on players like Murdoch would we be able to develop them?



Sadly that is the issue - Geelong have been able work with Murdoch and slide him right in with an appropriate opportunity - unlike us who throw the likes of Watson and Bootsma to the wolves.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:48 pm 
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With Geelong they know their midfield bats pretty deep - but what do they do, go and draft more anyway (Christensen, Smedts, Horlin-Smith, Duncan). They had Ottens but still went and draft Mumford, West, Simpson, Stephenson. They have Scarlett/Taylor/Pod/Hawkins but still went and drafted Mitch Brown, Gillies. They give themselves a chance by drafting them and then they actually develop them - if they end up with a surplus in one position they benefit at trade week. Worst of all, they lost the best player in the competition and won the flag the next year. :lol:

We don't give ourselves the chance often enough!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:50 pm 
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Effes wrote:
With Geelong they know their midfield bats pretty deep - but what do they do, go and draft more anyway (Christensen, Smedts, Horlin-Smith, Duncan). They had Ottens but still went and draft Mumford, West, Simpson, Stephenson. They have Scarlett/Taylor/Pod/Hawkins but still went and drafted Mitch Brown, Gillies. They give themselves a chance by drafting them and then they actually develop them - if they end up with a surplus in one position they benefit at trade week. We don't give ourselves the chance often enough!




It seems simple enough - but we just dont get it.

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We like our half back flankers.....crucial position on any list

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:54 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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DocSherrin wrote:
Wayne Hughes has already been demoted. If he wasn't looking elsewhere as I type, I'd be very surprised. Keen to see Shane Rogers in the top job. He's unearthed some gems. Deserves his chance.

I hope Hughes stays. Every club needs a recruiter who has unearthed some gems and roughies who play their role. I wish we could tell how these name recruiters would look if their club were in Carlton's position between 2004 and 2006. And their clubs had traded their fair share of second rounders between 2007 and 2009.

Ok you can be in charge of the recruiting review,,,,

You can be in charge of the review of the intellect of the supporter base.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:02 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
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Tell me it wasn't Shane Rogers who pushed for us to select Sam Rowe at Pick 44 at last years National Draft instead of us selecting Jordan Murdoch - then I might have more confidence in Shane Rogers doing a better job. :?


Please dont bring that up. Really makes me angry that decision. Based purely on ego. We could of had Murdoch and then had Rowe later. :mad:

If that was the case, they would they have held off and used a later pick to pick Rowe. Hard to believe your claim that you have AFL experience. I guess clubs are more unprofessional than we believe. Rucks such as Naitanui are a worth a top pick on every day of the week.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:09 pm 
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Effes wrote:
With Geelong they know their midfield bats pretty deep - but what do they do, go and draft more anyway (Christensen, Smedts, Horlin-Smith, Duncan). They had Ottens but still went and draft Mumford, West, Simpson, Stephenson. They have Scarlett/Taylor/Pod/Hawkins but still went and drafted Mitch Brown, Gillies. They give themselves a chance by drafting them and then they actually develop them - if they end up with a surplus in one position they benefit at trade week. Worst of all, they lost the best player in the competition and won the flag the next year. :lol:

We don't give ourselves the chance often enough!

So we need more midfielders? :?

We had surplus in Jacobs who asked to be traded because he knew he wouldn't be first picked ahead of Kreuzer.

Grigg can @#$%&! off after he sulked.

The club need to find out how much influence Ratten had over the recruiting decisions with later picks.

The Geelong example doesn't apply to Carlton. Their window was still open after they lost Ablett and Mumford.

WC hit rock bottom after losing Judd and Cousins.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:22 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
We like our half back flankers.....crucial position on any list



We not only like half back flankers but we try to turn players who we have recruited as mid-fielders and forwards into half back flankers such as Andrew Walker, Jordan Russell, Bryce Gibbs, Chris Yarran, Heath Scotland - and I am sure there are a 'plethora' :razz: of others that I have overlooked.

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AGRO wrote:
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We like our half back flankers.....crucial position on any list



We not only like half back flankers but we try to turn players who we have recruited as mid-fielders and forwards into half back flankers such as Andrew Walker, Jordan Russell, Bryce Gibbs, Chris Yarran, Heath Scotland - and I am sure there are a 'plethora' :razz: of others that I have overlooked.


Lance Whitnall for one.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:33 pm 
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Warby wrote:
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We like our half back flankers.....crucial position on any list



We not only like half back flankers but we try to turn players who we have recruited as mid-fielders and forwards into half back flankers such as Andrew Walker, Jordan Russell, Bryce Gibbs, Chris Yarran, Heath Scotland - and I am sure there are a 'plethora' :razz: of others that I have overlooked.


Lance Whitnall for one.



I will give ourselves the benefit of the doubt on that one and say we tried to turn him into a Centre Half Back rather than a Half Back Flanker. :razz:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:28 pm 
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j.scarponi wrote:
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I'm quite sure the club has an annual QA audit. You don't release internal QA audits to the general public. Bruce would know that.

I've been part of enough internal audits to know they're all part of a sugarcoating exercise.

Kinda like an alcoholic wanting to quit being given the responsibilty of hiding his own alcohol.

External audits are the way to go if you're serious about improving your business.

Do we have the balls?


QA audits are done from external QA assessors.


QA audits are audits conducted by guy's who once upon a time would have been bank johny's. They have no power to change things and can only highlight those things that DON'T meet whatever Aus Standard you are trying to keep.

They only make sure that the club is following its QA manual, they make no recommendations of peoples worthiness for positions, that's not their role. They make no assessment of how the systems currently in place actually contribute to on-field success. QA Audits don't pick up corrupt practices or shortcuts because 9 times out of ten these practices are hidden by dodgy paperwork.

Simply put, QA audits are really just a way of making sure that forms and processes are filled in properly, meetings are held as agreed etc.

They are NOT a tool of strategic planning, they audit the way things are done NOT the way they should be done.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:50 pm 
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BTW, BM has a complex skin condition, a big reason for his moving to the warmer Goldy climate to live. Very unlikely he'd ever be no 1 banana for that reason, but his immense input in getting the CFC back on its feet is most welcome and appreciated.

Go Brucey, you good thing!


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