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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:20 pm 
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Our board is to large and needs to be no larger than 7. There aren't 12 contributors on there.
Harrison, Marcus clark, ari suss and more should step down


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:27 pm 
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I think you'll be getting your way on a few anyway, with planned departures at year's end. Someone with better knowledge of these matters can confirm.

Mind, from this outsider's perspective it's actually difficult to tell what each board member does.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:41 pm 
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Good ruthless with the coach, players and board......


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:31 am 
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camelboy wrote:
I think you'll be getting your way on a few anyway, with planned departures at year's end. Someone with better knowledge of these matters can confirm.

Mind, from this outsider's perspective it's actually difficult to tell what each board member does.


And so say all of us. Except MJ who is all over it.

Give us a run down MJ on the strengths and weaknesses of those you want to hatchet so that we can all have an understanding. Tell us all what they have and haven't added to the CFC.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:34 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
camelboy wrote:
I think you'll be getting your way on a few anyway, with planned departures at year's end. Someone with better knowledge of these matters can confirm.

Mind, from this outsider's perspective it's actually difficult to tell what each board member does.


And so say all of us. Except MJ who is all over it.

Give us a run down MJ on the strengths and weaknesses of those you want to hatchet so that we can all have an understanding. Tell us all what they have and haven't added to the CFC.

Regards Cazzesman


I think his post is in the form of a question.

Oops scratch that :oops: , he's nominated some people.

But isn't it a goal of the current admin to reduce the size of the board anyway?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:39 am 
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Without knowing what each board member has and continues to contribute specifically, the focus should be on a large reduction in numbers. That's been discussed at length.

The commonwealth bank for example has a board of 11. LESS than the carlton and look at the difference in size/turnover/customer base.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:39 am 
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It's all in the 'Sticks - the Grand Illusion' thread ...the thread for all occasions.

Football - Kernahan, Gleeson, Harrison, Newton

Finance - Newton, Fried, Harrison, LoGiudice

Governence & HR - Lee, Clarke, Moulton, Suss

Marketing & Membership - Germinder, Fried, Gleeson, LoGuidice, Pratt

Remuneration - Kernahan, Clarke, Lee, Newton

...but you won't get the answer you're after because the place is a bubble. Who are they answerable to? That we need change has been talked about for years. Fact is, Dick Pratt fooled everyone for a number of years...and the board believed the hype. "Hooray - King Dick has arrived. Rejoice! Bring on the Premierships!" Lots of thumb twiddling since.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:40 am 
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They should all stand down.
The board has been mediocre and someone needs to be held accountable.
What the board is hoping is that they can hide their mediocrity by being secretive and no-one taking responsibilty. Like when a teacher says "Who threw that apple?". No kid puts his hand up.
Do you say that because I can't pinpoint who is responsible, nobody gets punished or does the whole class become responsible because they are covering for the offender.
So I think when Cazz says "Tell me who is good or bad", that attitude allows a poorly functioning board to continue to operate.

The only decent thing for this board to do is stand down en masse and then whoever wants to continue to serve on the board can re-nominate and outline what they bring to the table.

Democracy can be a wonderful thing.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:49 am 
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Our very own Arab Spring.

yay

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:50 am 
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Doc - yeah I know the subcommittees on which each sit but singling out one over another... I just don't know enough.

As you said, no one outside the bubble really does.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:01 pm 
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All of them.

Start again.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:51 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
So I think when Cazz says "Tell me who is good or bad", that attitude allows a poorly functioning board to continue to operate.



No buzz that is asking those with agenda's who throw the mud to alteast give us all some substance. The Dr has been trying to add some relevance to some of his posts.

MJ just pisses against the wall and walks away. I wouldn't know the majority of the board if I passed them in the Street. I certainly wouldn't know what they contribute in their positions.

If people are to make informed decisions instead of knee jerk ones based on comments on TC then maybe those that want and demand change itemise the pro's and cons of each person they want gone.

Surely not that hard if posters have so-called knowledge of these board members, rather than just agendas.

This post is not for/against. It is 'give me something factual to think about so that when the time comes I might be aptly informed'.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:24 pm 
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Firstly Caz, the second the status quo is questioned in the light of bad performance you defend it. Secondly, I have read 5 years of your defending some average players and a very average coach. The results are not there to justify your viewpoint very often. The viewpoint (often howled down by you) that we are not developing a brand of football that leads to finals success is being justified by the current results. Your point of view just is not justifiable on very much. Now to the board

A board of 11-13 people is too large to function properly. Management by committee doesn't work.
The names I mentioned are probably the weakest link and need to go. I don't see any evidence of their contribution.
Do they bring money, football nouse or organisational expertise to the table?
I think if you check your facts they bring very little. Yes I might have made a mistake on one of them but it doesn't change the fact the club and it is constitution support our own version of faceless individuals, who are non contributors and support a decision making structure that is too cumbersome.

Caz, for once, support change in the face of poor results.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:57 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
So I think when Cazz says "Tell me who is good or bad", that attitude allows a poorly functioning board to continue to operate.


This post is not for/against. It is 'give me something factual to think about so that when the time comes I might be aptly informed'.

Regards Cazzesman


I understand that you are not supporting the board, but it is impossible for any of us to know which board members are worthwhile and which aren't.

If you think overall the board is doing a good job, then there is no need to question. You would hope that non functioning members would be phased out anyway.

But if the board isn't up to scratch and they show no signs of wanting to be accountable and they avoid elections at all cost, then in my opinion, the question isn't who should go but why should any of them stay??

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:08 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Firstly Caz, the second the status quo is questioned in the light of bad performance you defend it. Secondly, I have read 5 years of your defending some average players and a very average coach. The results are not there to justify your viewpoint very often. The viewpoint (often howled down by you) that we are not developing a brand of football that leads to finals success is being justified by the current results. Your point of view just is not justifiable on very much. Now to the board

A board of 11-13 people is too large to function properly. Management by committee doesn't work.
The names I mentioned are probably the weakest link and need to go. I don't see any evidence of their contribution.
Do they bring money, football nouse or organisational expertise to the table?

I think if you check your facts they bring very little. Yes I might have made a mistake on one of them but it doesn't change the fact the club and it is constitution support our own version of faceless individuals, who are non contributors and support a decision making structure that is too cumbersome.

Caz, for once, support change in the face of poor results.


MJ I'm not defending anyone in this instance. I know SFA about the Board and who contributes what.

(See red print) You have these throw away 'Rhetorical questions' but you aren't giving anyone any substance to support what you want and why.

(See green print) I don't have any facts. I'm hoping you will give me some.

I'm happy to support change, if based on some substance of argument. You started this post so all I am asking is give us something to discuss and dissect rather than just throwing the hand grenade and walking away.

Okay the Board is to big. I can see that is probably a good call.

If you want 4 gone tell us why. Tell us where those 4 have failed as a Board member.

Regards Cazzesman

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:16 pm 
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Anyone who cant bring $10m to the table.

Free Agency starts NOW. money TALKS.............NOTHING ELSE WILL GET US NEW GUNS!!!!..............

Finally having 7 multi-squillionaires on the board might actually be of use!!!!

Question is..........what have they done til now??

LET'S USE THIS WEALTH NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KEEPERS:
Fried/Geminder/Pratt/Suss/Harrison

NOT SOLD ON:
Gleeson/Lee/LoGiudice

as for Moulton.............??
If he can write this http://www.meetup.com/6-Figure-Success- ... /42165122/
then surely he can be of use??

GOODBYE:
Kernahan/Newton/Clarke & (either Lee/LoGuidice Or Moulton)

PEOPLE TO APPROACH:
Diesel WIlliams &/or Fraser Brown
Aahmed Fahour
John/Tom Elliot
Mike Fitzpatrick


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:19 pm 
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Nominate for the board Michael Jezz, I might even give you my vote.

Anyway, always thought having two vice presidents is a little strange. Other than that, the composition looks OK to me. It was in 2010 when incumbants won re election as no one nominated, why not?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:31 pm 
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Any member of the board that can't rotate through the midfield should stand down now

To many HBF on that board for my liking

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:32 pm 
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j.scarponi wrote:
Nominate for the board Michael Jezz, I might even give you my vote.

Anyway, always thought having two vice presidents is a little strange. Other than that, the composition looks OK to me. It was in 2010 when incumbants won re election as no one nominated, why not?

Told to not stand for election.
Costs money blah blah!!
Invite back on later.

Same as Trainer and everybody else.

Flawed process and eventually leads to an Olgarchy

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:42 pm 
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Why didnt you nominate in 2010 all knowing all seeing Synbad?


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