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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:15 pm 
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well i tend to think some of our choices of late such as Lucas when we could have gone for Talia still confuses me . When we picked up Watson i thought this sounds good until a mate who watches a bit of the TAC cup said think of Jason Cloke with a booming kick, Marcus Davies, sort a poor decision maker. Easy to criticise i know but I don't reckon we have got bang for our buck with draft picks. Understand that not every pick is going to be a winner, but early picks especially second round we have usually got these chronically wrong - we have fared better with rookies at times.

Watto isn't a tweener like Jason Cloke.

Robinson, Garlett, Betts, Jamison and Jacobs were good late picks. Fools judge Hampson as a forward when he's a ruck. Hine wanted Hammer. Grigg was worth 19.

Misquided footy supporter logic says you want Talia because he's a tall. Good mail that Rendell would have gone for Lucas if we hadn't picked him. You'd be happier with Jetta, Menzel and Fyfe. Pittard is injured, but is a gun with skill and the right attitude. We still need small defenders. There were no real inside mids around at our pick 11 and 12.


Garlett, Betts, Jamison and Jacobs were all rookies, that's why I said we have fared better with our rookies

look at some of second round and third round picks like Bower, Hartlett, Edwards, Browne, Austin , Davies etc

You can call it miss-guided, but Talia to me is a better prospect and has always been, we are lacking good quality talls especially in defence - Watson looks like a rabbit in a spotlight under a high footy

But one thing that does annoy me is that we pick up blokes who cannot kick

Good mail also told me that if we hadn't lost our early picks, back in 2003 we were keen on Kepler Bradley as well


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:15 pm 
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George Stone must have pissed himself when he saw us going after Mclean whilst they got Kennedy for some late picks and Luke Parker at pick 40 in the 2010 draft.

George Stone must have been pissed after they recruited Mumford and Seaby in the one draft. Cost them Mitch Duncan. Don't why they get a tick for a player they overlooked for Jed Lamb.

Sydney's recruiting of untried talent was diabolical up until the 2009 draft. Veszpremi, Dan O'Keeffe and Lewis Johnston/e were all first round busts who were moved on.

sydney won a flag and have been in the eight all along...

our great drafting gives us 1 elimination final in the last 5 and 10 years

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:23 pm 
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Jordan Mudoch looks at home for the Cats.

Fmd.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:31 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
Effes wrote:
George Stone must have pissed himself when he saw us going after Mclean whilst they got Kennedy for some late picks and Luke Parker at pick 40 in the 2010 draft.

George Stone must have been pissed after they recruited Mumford and Seaby in the one draft. Cost them Mitch Duncan. Don't why they get a tick for a player they overlooked for Jed Lamb.

Sydney's recruiting of untried talent was diabolical up until the 2009 draft. Veszpremi, Dan O'Keeffe and Lewis Johnston/e were all first round busts who were moved on.

sydney won a flag and have been in the eight all along...

our great drafting gives us 1 elimination final in the last 5 and 10 years

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:35 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Jordan Mudoch looks at home for the Cats.

Fmd.


Darren pfieffer going ok for Port as well.

Port will lose this game but they have not shirked a contest all day.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:33 pm 
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I agree with you Cimm. Who says there the best available. Hughes opinion, Ratt's opinion. Who has final say?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:07 pm 
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Bomba Sheldon wrote:
You can call it miss-guided, but Talia to me is a better prospect and has always been, we are lacking good quality talls especially in defence.

But one thing that does annoy me is that we pick up blokes who cannot kick.


Have you seen Talia kick the ball?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:28 pm 
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mots wrote:
I agree with you Cimm. Who says there the best available. Hughes opinion, Ratt's opinion. Who has final say?


Hughes - this is why he has now been replaced as top dog!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:00 am 
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Watson can kick it.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:22 am 
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Wallsy has unloaded on Jamo pity Jamo wil out for the year

There is a lack of onfield leadership for sure but I blame leading teams for this as when everybody is supposed to show leadership usually no one does

Leading teams is the issue piss them off and piss them off now

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:30 am 
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Betts wasn't a rookie list player. PSD

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:45 am 
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He certainly hit the nail on the head with these comments though, I think we can all agree
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"Hey, other blokes have got to step up.

"There's one player, Michael Jamison -- he's a big, strong man at full-back. He's regarded as a really good player … I don't see him play with any emotion, any aggression. I don't see him go and tap teammates on the back and pick them up. They need that.

"I heard Jamison interviewed Saturday morning at training and he said the players have got to take it on. Well for God's sake, do it."

Carlton was regarded as premiership favourite after beating arch-rival Collingwood in Round 3 but its season was derailed with injuries to key players including Andrew Carrazzo, Marc Murphy, Jarrad Waite and Jeremy Laidler among others.

"The bottom line is how many extroverts are there in the Carlton team? How many who play with cheek and aggression? I don’t reckon there's too many? You've got Mitchy Robinson who has a crack but, gee, you’d like a few more who play with a bit of passion."

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:07 pm 
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Wish Wallsy would say what we all know

To many softcocks at carlton
To many nice guys
To many metrosexuals

We need honest hard at footballers there is a baby faced kid playing for GWS with more mongrel than anyone is our side

It is knock on the recruiting department

Our toughest player is a Physocolgist and councilor he hits them then apologies

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:23 pm 
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Yes, you need some mongrel in your team to win a premiership. That's why we loved watching Walls play - and Sellars - and Collo. And you need it in your coach too. Parko fesses up to Mike Sheahan that he instructed the guys in the race before the '82 GF to deck anyone who dropped one of our smalls. Bortolloto dropped David Cloke. Beautiful. All our premiership coaches since 1968 have had a mongrel side (Jezza the exception).

But now to the present and future. The reason Ratten has to go now is to clear the decks.
To tell the world we are in the market for a coach who has all the requirements needed to win the flag for the Carlton Football Club.
Can do it. Wants to do it.

We want the best. We won't rush it. Brown or Richardson can see out the season.

Puts the coaching, fitness and recruiting staff on notice. Tells the players their careers at Carlton are at stake. Won't know their fates until the new man comes in, and trade week and drafts are over.

And puts the Board itself on notice. Unless they look at their own positions and come clean with the members about the future, there is a risk that the Young Turk we have all been waiting for will put up his or her hand for the President's job.

Enough is enough. We are going backwards - that is the reality. Reality kicked in within the first 15 minutes of the Essendon* game, if you were awake to it.

Will the President admit publicly that this season is now an irrecoverable disaster?

Do the President and his fellow Directors have the courage to tell Ratts it's all over? Today? Saturday?

Start the review process. Promise to reveal the results. Implement the changes.

Set up a recruitment panel for the new coach. Invite Sellars onto it. Perhaps Jack too. (Love him or not, he still knows all the right questions to ask and can't be fooled).

It is time.


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