Your right Synbad. I just felt with the week off it would give us time to plan and execute a few things better.
Maybe I thought I would see the ruckman using McLean as the go to man with Juddy & comp. the wide receivers.
Maybe I thought I would see Kruezer play a more KP role forward. Lead to the right spots and take 2 marks. Maybe I thought I would see Hampson and him working together forward as a team. Maybe I thought I would see Betts "not compete" for the same ball as the big guys and try to outmark them.
Maybe I thought I would not see any coast to coast goals or as much room / open space in our backline - the very least, not as much as I saw tonight!
Maybe I was delusional after the Geelong/WC games - the fact we got so close and showed a little, just a little.
Maybe I'm delusional and expect an AFL footballer to play with structure and not like an under 12!

Would be great if we got some extra picks within 40 but I don't know that can happen when you don't have a huge amount to trade.

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Watched the game from very high up in the Ponsford. Very interesting to see the difference in the ball and off the ball movement difference between us and them.

Hawthorrn are a great kicking team. Their recruiting has been far better than ours. When a Carlton player burnt the ball Hawthorn would spread into space with confidence because they have confidence in the delivery ... their players prempt that they will receive the ball. To top it off they have dynamite forwards to deliver to ... not only can their two main targets take a contested mark but they can also turn and shoot in one motion.

Us ... well we are plain sloppy ... we play kick-mark football because we lack the polish to deliver well which promotes running to spaces as leads are made with confidence. Our big forwards are not taking marks and they cannot turn and shoot.

Our smalls are slow and cannot kick ... our talls cannot mark and show no presence.

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

went expecting a train wreck and thats what happened. didn't bother getting upset because the days of this are numbered with the current administration.

SO looked at what could be in the future... and focused on one player who must be a big part of that - Mathew Watson.

I think overall he had a solid game. If I could be critical while he is a gorilla in size I think maybe he's TOO heavy, and this has had too much of a negative effect on his speed. He has no ability to keep up with a mobile forward and cannot catch them if they break past. Furthermore, his speed in lateral change is akin to pre-power steering days.

His positives are his strength, his kicking, and i think his decision making is reasonable and will get better. His one on one body work is well improved.

Was Bootsma subbed through injury or not? Can't see what is to be gained by taking him off when you could give him some experience elsewhere - ie. forward, just to give the kid a go. He did cop a couple of heavy hits though on that tiny frame.

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Uninspiring to say the least.

Seriously, how long is this going to go on for?

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We are on our way back...

Evidence surely that he has lost his marbles.

Just quit and spare us anymore shit.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

No blocks, no shepherds, sucked into the contest...appalling structures. Lots of turnovers occur under pressure when someone hasn't led, blocked ,moved etc, ball carrier looks up to ses no one leading. Basics like coming across to spoil, blocking the third man up at the ruck contest ..basic, basic, basic stuff, not happening. Nothing to do with injuries I'm afraid. Could be the 'cold water' thay's spooked the monkeys

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Greg Lee

Sticks is going to stand by his man.

Fair enough re Hawthorn membership entitlements.

But that has nothing to do with Carlton supporters opting not to turn up when things get a bit difficult. Our members and cheer squad areas had empty seats everywhere. I know that football fans are fickle but this was ridiculous.

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Killer post!

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Too bloody right there mate. That was a major blight on the spirit of Carlton.

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That was a disgrace buts that's the difference between us and them. The Hawks will risk a free or a MRP review just so they can impose themselves. It's flower disgraceful but it's the way it is .

We looked like we thought we didn't deserve to be there and guess what? We didn't.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Wiping egg off face for saying pre-match that we were over the odds at $3.50

Really feel for Ratts tonight. Despite the public bluster he must be wondering where the board's tipping point will be. For all we know it may already have been decided. Can see that he bleeds Carlton. Think it is over though - and I feel very heavy hearted for him.

Many contributing factors to the wheels falling off this year starting with a disasterous pre-season. In fact would go back further and suggest that the list management at the end of 2011 was a big fail. Thought at the time that getting rid of Setanta was a big risk, even though he had struggled with injuries. Now looks pretty clear that we should have cut several more of the marginal players that we gave another year to. Hindsight!

Lack of a key marking forward has led to total breakdown of our attacking potency and all of our structures have unravelled from there. New coach or not this won't be fixed until we can recruit a quality go-to forward. If we can't find one at the end of the season I guess that a new coach could most likely see Henderson as the main current player to develop as a key forward. Fingers crossed that one of Mitchell or Casboult can develop as well.

Who would of thought it, but the club's reaction is even more depressing than the game. Sticks now seeming to blame injuries 'We'll make a late charge when we get some key players back..

And Ratts saying we are getting better - we'll be ok in a week or two, not sure when but we are improving. Like it is 2005 again and an honourable loss seemed almost good.

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I would like to thank Collingwood for helping me keep faith in my old man. He always told me that 'People are thick'.

Return airfares for myself and my 66 year old Carlton-born Dad from the Gold Coast to take him to see his first Carlton home game in over 10 years: $400

Hotel: $500

Carlton merch: $300

Alcohol/food/transport: $600

Realising the hardest, cruelest way that our team is completely shot beyond any immediate repair: Immeasurable

Tonight was the most telling, blunt, trademark definition of our season. Disgusting, heartless, devoid of any structure, desire or pride in the Club, themselves or each other. Embarrassing, third-rate garbage delivered from a shambolic "group" (in the loosest sense) of masqueraders. Can we please fast forward to the off season where we start to hose this wreckage out? Right now we're terminal, and this prolonged death is excruciating.

Synbad, pass the bottle...I'm taking a swig.

Rock bottom.

no system moving the ball forward like the northern blues. it's heartbreaking. no confidence giving the ball to our forwards. I had to sit through that crap at MCG..club in the past dealt with this type of performance with an iron fist. i was willing to give it some grace due to injuries but several big losses now..even my patience is running out.

Last night was ordinary to say the least. Although, need to give credit to Hawthorn as they are a very good side and are my tip for the premiership. We on the other hand have gaping holes everywhere. Biggest difference for me apart from them having some good key forwards was there second tier players. They are extremely well drilled and can actually kick. We have too many battlers. Don't want to simply pick on these guys but relying on Ellard and Mclean in the engine room will get us nowhere. Although they try hard, they don't give us the drive required to compete with the better teams.

Too often the Hawks would run down the field with pin point passing and not a lot of pressure. This is extremely deflating for any team and is a sign that the team is bereft of confidence. It appears the team has given up. A sign of a good team is the ability to make the other team work extremely hard for its goals. If you give away too many soft goals then you won't be any where near it. We are currently in that predicament and to my mind is the worst aspect of our play. Whether that be due to poor structures or player positioning, it needs to be rectified quickly as it will destroy the mental state of this team in the short term. I would even consider going ultra defensive next week to at least try to stem the flow. At least make it somewhat competitive.

It has been stated many times but the Mclean and Warnock trade have not worked out for us. Can't make the same mistake again. Need to focus on developing within. The club needs to gain as many picks in this year's draft as possible. Even if we need to gain picks in the latter rounds. There has been nothing come through in the last two years. Not having a Rising Star nomination in a while is an indictment to our ability to develop players. As a result, there is no real depth in the club. Players like Russell and Bower, who have not come on have set us back 3 years.

One of the sorry aspects of watching last night was Kreuzer running around and having no impact. It would be a huge concern for the club. He was meant to be one of the pillars of our team going forward. I really don't know what to make of it. I am hoping it is due to an injury but I am not so sure. On current form should be dropped as the three ruckmen policy is rubbish. However, I think he and Hampson are our best options going forward. I would actually look at trading Warnock because I think he will provide some value to other teams.

Finally, it has all been said before but Ratten's days should be numbered. Was never convinced with his appointment in the first place and this year has confirmed my suspicions. He has had every opportunity to develop a premiership contending team and has simply failed. The team incrementally improving over his tenure has been to our detriment. In hindsight, I would rather have performed poorly over his first few years and sought a new coach earlier. I love his passion for Carlton but he is not up to it.

Enough said these guys obviously have no idea

They have to go before we can progress

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