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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:52 pm 
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Just back from the game.

I cant remember the last time i saw the carlton members area so empty.

In the old carlton days, when had that swagger, the coach be sacked about now. Lets see if the calton boys fulfill the culture they want to return towards.

In all seriousness.

I thought the boys tried and some of what they did worked but it just does not look convincing, we dont have the same predicabity for each other and the coaching grp have been there long enough.

Doubt i will bother going to anymire games this year. What a waste of my money to buy a captains club! Wont be repeating that mistake in a hurry.

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Lukey O - you are almost as funny as Verbs. I'm still giggling at his Brick Mclean blood rule crack from the pre-game.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:53 pm 
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Just arrived back from the game. Sat with a TC and BV stalwart and enjoyed a few cleansing ales in the SOC Past Players room. Was a delight to meet Geoff Southby and Matty Hogg. Plenty of past players in attendance especially some from the '47 premiership side. I wonder what they thought of the effort from CFC tonight?
My first game since 2010 and it was very painful to watch. A team without a clue is what it was. There was some heart Carrotts, Armfield, Duigan, Walker and Robbo. The only class on display was Eddie with a few cameos from Gibbs. The skill level is woeful. The players have lost complete confidence in themselves and each other (Walker is a case in point). Juddy was sad to say and I thought I would never say it but the poor bugger was so far gone. Put the fork in him, he is finished for this year. Can't/won't chase, does not tackle and plays for himself. Harsh but I watched him very carefully tonight and he is not right. Some of his efforts were embarrassing. Simmo seems like that as well.
The spirit is lacking. When young Bootsma was dismissed in that marking contest, not one player came to him, NOT ONE! Absolute disgrace!
So many times the players did not seem to have a clue about what to do when the opposition have the ball. This is basic junior footy principles and here we have full time professionals who for some reason cannot get the message. It happened so many times tonight and opposition supporters were laughing it was so dreadful.
There is a malaise and it must be dealt with.
One final sad note - there was an instance where #14 was 5 metres in front of a Hawthorn player chasing the loose ball and within three steps the Hawthorn player was past him - hampster in a cage stuff.
On a more positive note, I love night footy at the MCG!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:55 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
We actually had enough players playing well to get a lot closer. We just don't have any system. And it was so clear there for the whole world to see. Even longstanding deniers on here can see it now. Sure, there's the odd deluded fan who's blaming Brock Mclean and Andrew Walker and Jeff Garlett, but it's pretty obvious.

In fact, check it out. Jeffy's probably played better than Cyril this season, and Jamo has played better than Schoenmakers, and Carrots has played as well as Sewell.

That's not the point. Every time a Hawthorn player got the ball in the back half there were half a dozen options on their own - down the line, across on the fat side, in the corridor.

Every time we got it, there was nowhere to go, lots of pressure, and the invariable "coach-killer kick" (tiny little garthp from me on that....) that turned the ball over.

It really has nothing to do with the players. We have one of the best lists in the AFL. They just have no structure, have not been given a game plan that works, and have not been trained in modern footy.

RABBLE. Rabble club. Rabble president. Rabble coach. Put us out of our misery!


This.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:56 pm 
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Does anyone actually go anymore?

Good crowd tonight of over 65,000...the trouble was that most of the were Hawthorn fans (at a Carlton home game)! I was there and we were heavily outnumbered, which is a disgrace.

Do we just stop going when things get a bit tough? Harden up!


One of their 4 games for the year to compensate members for playing in Tassie.
They were making more noise because they were thumping us

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:58 pm 
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mikkey wrote:
camelboy wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
We have one of the best lists in the AFL.


I agree.

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And Ratt s is the Captain directing the rescue from a lifeboat.


Good god, people, the crappier we play, the more we are a team of champions playing against well-drilled units. Our list isn't deep when we are just slightly crap but it's suddenly healthier again when we are fully crap? Something doesn't add up.

Isn't it possible that we have a crap president, a crap coach and a list that is not as good as we thought or wished it was?

Could it be that we were just hungrier last year and we peaked then, against even my own better judgement?

Yes, we have a core of good players that are playing beneath themselves but our list is disjointed. We lack overall size around the ground, lack talented talls in the forward fifty and age and lack of durability is catching up with some key players.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:59 pm 
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Blues2005 wrote:
Does anyone actually go anymore?

Good crowd tonight of over 65,000...the trouble was that most of the were Hawthorn fans (at a Carlton home game)! I was there and we were heavily outnumbered, which is a disgrace.

Do we just stop going when things get a bit tough? Harden up!

I still go, although i wont be going next week. I dont enjoy it, get frustrated but have been going pretty much every week for the last 10 years so why stop now?
We were terribly outnumbered by Hawks supporters tonight, apparently this was one of the games that members get into to compensated for the Tassie games.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:03 am 
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Ratten: "We were beaten by a better team. I thought our clearance work in the first half was ok but our ball use is causing us problems."


:lol:

It's a bit difficult to use the ball well when

a) you continue to recruit players who are poor kicks of the footy
b) you don't have a system to get players free/leading into space.


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Ratten: "Our movement inside-50 tonight wasn't good. We'll keep practicing until we get better."


:lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:09 am 
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Pafloyul wrote:

Could it be that we were just hungrier last year and we peaked then, against even my own better judgement?

Yes, we have a core of good players that are playing beneath themselves but our list is disjointed. We lack overall size around the ground, lack talented talls in the forward fifty and age and lack of durability is catching up with some key players.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:11 am 
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club29 wrote:
Isnt Richardson overseeing strategy and tactics? Didnt he do a similar job at Essendon* when they went backwards?.


We have completely lost structures - forward, middle & back.
Our ruckman are tapping towards Judd - that's it. No-one else and nothing different. Warnock must love his shoe laces :idea:
Our forwards have no idea how to lead up and take a mark. Was amazed to watch Hammer do it a few times in the last. What happened there? Did a light go on or did we actually get a structure right and leave some room for him to lead into?
Our press is so far up we leave half the ground open behind with 3 oppositions players by themselves. It's no wonder our forward line is so conjested while the oppositions is nice and open. :roll: :oops:

Time to get rid of the coaching panel - ALL OF THEM - not just Ratten. Flowering useless - the lot.
Hawthorn embarrased us tonight. Make no mistake.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:12 am 
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moshe25 wrote:
We actually had enough players playing well to get a lot closer. We just don't have any system. And it was so clear there for the whole world to see. Even longstanding deniers on here can see it now. Sure, there's the odd deluded fan who's blaming Brock Mclean and Andrew Walker and Jeff Garlett, but it's pretty obvious.

In fact, check it out. Jeffy's probably played better than Cyril this season, and Jamo has played better than Schoenmakers, and Carrots has played as well as Sewell.

That's not the point. Every time a Hawthorn player got the ball in the back half there were half a dozen options on their own - down the line, across on the fat side, in the corridor.

Every time we got it, there was nowhere to go, lots of pressure, and the invariable "coach-killer kick" (tiny little garthp from me on that....) that turned the ball over.

It really has nothing to do with the players. We have one of the best lists in the AFL. They just have no structure, have not been given a game plan that works, and have not been trained in modern footy.

RABBLE. Rabble club. Rabble president. Rabble coach. Put us out of our misery!


We fielded a terrible side tonight. It is clear as day. Half a dozen or more reserve grade players (young and old. nothing against them), 3 or four half fit player , a bunch of out of form players and a bunch of players that are good but choose when to be and flake out the rest of the time. You could have plonked them in the best system ever and they would have lost. Throw in the "coach killer" turnovers or inside 50 and you are lucky to go down by 10 goals. Be realistic Moshe. I know you want the coach gone and it will give you satisfaction when he is moved on but the next coach will face the same issues.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:15 am 
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Weak as piss tonight.

In the second quarter, Eddie put his head over it in the F50 and that dog Guerra gave him a hip and shoulder to the head. Not one Carlton player went to Guerra. It was just plain embarrassing. :banghead: :banghead:


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:18 am 
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One thing I'm surprised at is how little Clarkson's name comes up in talks for who should be the next coach. Battle of Britain aside, and from a viewpoint of what this list need, he'd be right up there. Pity he's contracted..

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:18 am 
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There us one thing for sure now is that they will not go into this trade and draft period thinking that the growth will come from with in and only have 3 selections in the ND

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:19 am 
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Taff wrote:
Just arrived back from the game. Sat with a TC and BV stalwart and enjoyed a few cleansing ales in the SOC Past Players room. Was a delight to meet Geoff Southby and Matty Hogg. Plenty of past players in attendance especially some from the '47 premiership side. I wonder what they thought of the effort from CFC tonight?
My first game since 2010 and it was very painful to watch. A team without a clue is what it was. There was some heart Carrotts, Armfield, Duigan, Walker and Robbo. The only class on display was Eddie with a few cameos from Gibbs. The skill level is woeful. The players have lost complete confidence in themselves and each other (Walker is a case in point). Juddy was sad to say and I thought I would never say it but the poor bugger was so far gone. Put the fork in him, he is finished for this year. Can't/won't chase, does not tackle and plays for himself. Harsh but I watched him very carefully tonight and he is not right. Some of his efforts were embarrassing. Simmo seems like that as well.
The spirit is lacking. When young Bootsma was dismissed in that marking contest, not one player came to him, NOT ONE! Absolute disgrace!
So many times the players did not seem to have a clue about what to do when the opposition have the ball. This is basic junior footy principles and here we have full time professionals who for some reason cannot get the message. It happened so many times tonight and opposition supporters were laughing it was so dreadful.
There is a malaise and it must be dealt with.
One final sad note - there was an instance where #14 was 5 metres in front of a Hawthorn player chasing the loose ball and within three steps the Hawthorn player was past him - hampster in a cage stuff.
On a more positive note, I love night footy at the MCG!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:22 am 
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Judd was BOG up until 3/4 time and the realized that no one was bothering and he shut up shop.

Why he bothered at all was remarkable .

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:22 am 
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doofdoof wrote:
Taff wrote:
Just arrived back from the game. Sat with a TC and BV stalwart and enjoyed a few cleansing ales in the SOC Past Players room. Was a delight to meet Geoff Southby and Matty Hogg. Plenty of past players in attendance especially some from the '47 premiership side. I wonder what they thought of the effort from CFC tonight?
My first game since 2010 and it was very painful to watch. A team without a clue is what it was. There was some heart Carrotts, Armfield, Duigan, Walker and Robbo. The only class on display was Eddie with a few cameos from Gibbs. The skill level is woeful. The players have lost complete confidence in themselves and each other (Walker is a case in point). Juddy was sad to say and I thought I would never say it but the poor bugger was so far gone. Put the fork in him, he is finished for this year. Can't/won't chase, does not tackle and plays for himself. Harsh but I watched him very carefully tonight and he is not right. Some of his efforts were embarrassing. Simmo seems like that as well.
The spirit is lacking. When young Bootsma was dismissed in that marking contest, not one player came to him, NOT ONE! Absolute disgrace!
So many times the players did not seem to have a clue about what to do when the opposition have the ball. This is basic junior footy principles and here we have full time professionals who for some reason cannot get the message. It happened so many times tonight and opposition supporters were laughing it was so dreadful.
There is a malaise and it must be dealt with.
One final sad note - there was an instance where #14 was 5 metres in front of a Hawthorn player chasing the loose ball and within three steps the Hawthorn player was past him - hampster in a cage stuff.
On a more positive note, I love night footy at the MCG!


Judd was in the best 5 players on the ground . Put a fork in you



I must have been at a different game then. Silly me :donk: :donk: :donk:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:23 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
club29 wrote:
Isnt Richardson overseeing strategy and tactics? Didnt he do a similar job at Essendon* when they went backwards?.


We have completely lost structures - forward, middle & back.
Our ruckman are tapping towards Judd - that's it. No-one else and nothing different. Warnock must love his shoe laces :idea:
Our forwards have no idea how to lead up and take a mark. Was amazed to watch Hammer do it a few times in the last. What happened there? Did a light go on or did we actually get a structure right and leave some room for him to lead into?
Our press is so far up we leave half the ground open behind with 3 oppositions players by themselves. It's no wonder our forward line is so conjested while the oppositions is nice and open. :roll: :oops:

Time to get rid of the coaching panel - ALL OF THEM - not just Ratten. Flowering useless - the lot.
Hawthorn embarrased us tonight. Make no mistake.

Same as last few weeks

Nothing different

Players getting sucked into the contest .
No outside run
McLean is getting bounces outside.
Getting the wingbacks behind our defences.
Tap it to Judd
Kick it long to CHF Eddie
Whats the mystery here????

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:25 am 
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Psychology 101...Carlton style.
If you start with a cage containing five monkeys and inside the cage, hang a banana on a string from the top and then you place a set of stairs under the banana, before long a monkey will go to the stairs and climb toward the banana.
As soon as he touches the stairs, you spray all the other monkeys with cold water. After a while another monkey makes an attempt with same result ... all the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water. Pretty soon when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it. Now, put the cold water away.
Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and attempts to climb the stairs. To his shock, all of the other monkeys beat the crap out of him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs he will be assaulted. Next, remove another of the original five monkeys, replacing it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment...... with enthusiasm. Then, replace a third original monkey with a new one, followed by the fourth, then the fifth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs he is attacked.
Now, the monkeys that are beating him up have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs.
Neither do they know why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey. Finally, having replaced all of the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys will have ever been sprayed with cold water.Nevertheless, not one of the monkeys will try to climb the stairway for the banana.
Why, you ask? Because in their minds...that is the way it has always been!
This, my friends, is how the Carlton Football Club currently operates.. and this is why, from time to time:
ALL of the monkeys need to be REPLACED AT THE SAME TIME.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:31 am 
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Hopkins1970 wrote:
Psychology 101...Carlton style.
If you start with a cage containing five monkeys and inside the cage, hang a banana on a string from the top and then you place a set of stairs under the banana, before long a monkey will go to the stairs and climb toward the banana.
As soon as he touches the stairs, you spray all the other monkeys with cold water. After a while another monkey makes an attempt with same result ... all the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water. Pretty soon when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it. Now, put the cold water away.
Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and attempts to climb the stairs. To his shock, all of the other monkeys beat the crap out of him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs he will be assaulted. Next, remove another of the original five monkeys, replacing it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment...... with enthusiasm. Then, replace a third original monkey with a new one, followed by the fourth, then the fifth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs he is attacked.
Now, the monkeys that are beating him up have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs.
Neither do they know why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey. Finally, having replaced all of the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys will have ever been sprayed with cold water.Nevertheless, not one of the monkeys will try to climb the stairway for the banana.
Why, you ask? Because in their minds...that is the way it has always been!
This, my friends, is how the Carlton Football Club currently operates.. and this is why, from time to time:
ALL of the monkeys need to be REPLACED AT THE SAME TIME.



Right up there with the fish tank water. :clap:

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