It's not far off the truth.

WCE fans NEVER say anything about the club administration. They know who Trev Nisbett is and one or two may even be able to tell you who the chairman is but, in general, they have absolutely no interest in the running of the club. They think of membership as you would a gym membership. You get to use the facilities (watch a game) but that's it.

On the other hand Freo supporters can name every dunderklumpin who's ever had a parking space at Freo oval since 1995.

The really funny thing is that are both clubs are controlled by the same organisation, the WAFC.

So, from my point of view.

Good admin leads to good performance (flags) which leads to content members who buy memberships.

Bad admin leads to poor performance which leads to unhappy members who agitate for change and postpone buying memberships until they are happy or happier.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

It's probably half and half. I think our list falls away after the best 22 or so with some players ageing without even semi-replacements coming through. I've maintained that we have readied ourselves for a premiership without being completely equipped. Perhaps the unfortunate 'falling in a hole' occurance merely masks the entire story.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

I guess that's where Saad, Grigg, Jacobs and Austin learnt their footy before moving onto other AFL clubs.

Our development team has lost all the senior players they had when they were playing finals. We couldn't retain them. No mature bodies and leaders with Mclean and Ellard strangely playing in the firsts.

For the AGM? You completely miss the point. It is as much for the AGM as your Sticks thread.

It would be nice if you and others actually readthe post before responding :

From my intro: "It would be important that this letter is signed by as many members with their name and membership number as possible in order to make any impression." From the letter: "We are a number of CFC members who discuss issues surrounding the Club on an internet forum called “Talking Carlton”. "

So 1) I NEVER suggested the letter to be sent on behalf of TC but by members who participate on TC.
2) I was implying that those who agreed / contributed to the letter would give me (by PM) their name and membership number.

Geez, I give up. Forget about it.

It is very clear from the responses that people rather post demands and complaints then actually DO something. Do you guys actually think that people who have influence at the club read this forum? Do you think your posts and threads make any difference?

I was actually looking at trying to influence Board members. If you send a letter like this with lets say 30 signatures, they would take notice. Would it make a difference, maybe not, but you would at least make them think (hopefully). In society we have the option to write to our elected (or non-elected) representatives and it sometimes makes a difference (i.e. letters to members of parliament).

Anyway, silly of me to think it would be possible to do this here.

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

If you do go ahead with this please check with camelboy or bluechucky before using the talkingcarlton name

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Criticism duly noted - so I went back and read your post...again.


I'd be quite happy to ask Sticks if there was a succession plan in place for the Presidency at the AGM. But I ceased being a member of Carlton last year. My donation went to a much worthier cause. I'll commit to the club financially again when they try to get me back - but as long as they don't, I'll presume they don't want/need my money.



My point was as soon as the words Talking Carlton were read - within 10 seconds your letter would look something like this...




Read them from time to time? Yes. Make a difference? No. But you probably paid a fee that at any other club would have got you a) a seat and b) voting privileges. You got one out of two, so unless you ask your question at an AGM or join the 'unofficial selection committee' and get a private audience with Sticks, you won't be heard.


Not to sound too harsh, but that's naive.

It feels like 2003 on here.

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dane's trolling again

Hope we don't have to go through the last nine years of Talking Politics again...

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Don't write a letter - start a Scott Burns thread.
The board members will read that thread & get ideas.

Maybe

There's a reason for that. The Eagles have been owned in full by the West Australian Football Commission (WAFC) since 1989. Members are really season-ticket holders. So it's the WAFC and not the 'club membership ticket holders' which hold the core legal rights under those club's constitutions.

There's a good run-down by James Patterson (Carlton suppporter) - I'm sure James won't mind me quoting him.

Consider just some of the events that members of some clubs can influence at formal general meetings (illustrated by way of a hypothetical club):

* The president of the Northcote Football Club, a team based in the north of Melbourne, announces that the club intends to trade under a new business name, the "Northern Kings".

If this were the Brisbane Lions, the move would require greater than 75% member approval. Members of the Sydney Swans, however, would not have an opportunity to review or approve.

* The CEO of the club announces a sponsorship deal with a recycling company, whereby the club changes its traditional blue and white striped jumper to play all "away" games wearing green.

If this were Geelong, more than 75% of the members would first have to approve the new jumper before the directors could pursue that strategy. Members of, say, Melbourne would not be entitled to have a say in the decision.

* After a year of playing in the competition as the "Northern Kings", the club announces that it intends to move to the Northern Territory and play home games in Alice Springs - along with a $10 million ‘relocation assistance' grant from the AFL.

If this were Essendon*, the members would first have to approve the decision. Members of Carlton would not necessarily have an opportunity to review or approve that decision.

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So as Carlton members/supporters if you care about the Strategic direction of your club - we're a little bit disadvantaged as far as a 'say' goes from the start. And the current administration has amended the constitution to make it even harder. Yet if the club winds up you still have to fork over $50 to the creditors...they haven't taken that part out!

By the way - if you want to read the whole article....it's a really good read - http://www.anzarut.com.au/newsletters/s ... teaser.pdf

Well, whatever.

I have actually met and discussed issues with a few board members at functions etc over the years. The better ones actually do listen, and if a letter was signed by a reasonable number of members then I do think it could influence some board members. I still think this is better then just posting on TC and not being a member - which will guaranteed insure you have no influence.

But as I said, I wont pursue this issue any further.

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

Between the dozens of MCC/AFL members, interstate members or those with mini 3 game memberships on here, I maintain that those who would have a vote on here at an Elliott-esque AGM would struggle to get to 20.

Why pander to those who whilst might be very interested in bringing about change, but have no formal way to implement it?

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

I think I mentioned this in my post.

Anyway. Good post. Will read the rest.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Yeah...Nah...