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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:17 pm 
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/139179/default.aspx

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NECK and shoulder troubles are believed to be the mysterious injury problems hampering Carlton captain Chris Judd.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:03 pm 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/139179/default.aspx

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NECK and shoulder troubles are believed to be the mysterious injury problems hampering Carlton captain Chris Judd.



This was bound to happen when you have to carry the whole team and Rattens Blunders on your shoulders !!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:26 pm 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/139179/default.aspx

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NECK and shoulder troubles are believed to be the mysterious injury problems hampering Carlton captain Chris Judd.

so why is he playing????

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:29 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Blueboy74 wrote:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/139179/default.aspx

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NECK and shoulder troubles are believed to be the mysterious injury problems hampering Carlton captain Chris Judd.

so why is he playing????


Because, Synbad, he carries the whole team. We wont beat the Calder Cannon's Girls U16s without him.

We don't have anyone with any class to run on the ball. Gibbs is a half back flanker.

Stop asking stupid questions.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:35 pm 
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We have Ellard /Curnow in the midfield... a couple of rookie selections.
Just goes to show the kind of emphasis that was placed upon the midfield
Its concering whatching Judd play like that.... theyre obviously not worrying about his longevity... maybe Judd has expressed he wont play beyond his contract
.Bit like what Worsfold did to him...
Actually its a worry how we treat our inured.
Curnow/Waite and Jamo last year.
Laidler /Kreuzer/Yarran and Judd
Youd think Ratten isnt coaching beyond the present.................... :oops:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:50 am 
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We have Ellard /Curnow in the midfield... a couple of rookie selections.
Just goes to show the kind of emphasis that was placed upon the midfield
Its concering whatching Judd play like that.... theyre obviously not worrying about his longevity... maybe Judd has expressed he wont play beyond his contract
.Bit like what Worsfold did to him...
Actually its a worry how we treat our inured.
Curnow/Waite and Jamo last year.
Laidler /Kreuzer/Yarran and Judd
Youd think Ratten isnt coaching beyond the present.................... :oops:

This is what worries me more than anything else.

Poor use of the apostrophe. :razz:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:35 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Blueboy74 wrote:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/139179/default.aspx

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NECK and shoulder troubles are believed to be the mysterious injury problems hampering Carlton captain Chris Judd.

so why is he playing????

To prop up Ratts....

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:01 am 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
To prop up Ratts....
So Ratts, with the agreement of the match committee, is trying to prop himself up by playing someone who on current form is making the team worse and his coaching job considerably harder?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:10 am 
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in8 wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
To prop up Ratts....
So Ratts, with the agreement of the match committee, is trying to prop himself up by playing someone who on current form is making the team worse and his coaching job considerably harder?

Ratts admits Judd's been injured and yet is being played....why?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:26 am 
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More alleged info on Judd's "niggle"...

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-pre ... 6405079110

The last few paras will no doubt raise a few eyebrows round here. :razz:

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According to confidential AFL figures obtained by The Australian last month, the Blues spent $2.4 million on fitness and conditioning, more than any other club in the competition, and double what Western Bulldogs outlaid.

Collingwood was the next-highest, outlaying $1.8 million.

Carlton's fitness and conditioning spend was four times what it invested in recruiting and list management.

The Blues have had injuries to Jarrad Waite, Marc Murphy, Andrew Carrazzo, Jeremy Laidler, Andrew Walker, Robbie Warnock, Nick Duigan, Chris Yarran and Michael Jamison.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:29 am 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
in8 wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
To prop up Ratts....
So Ratts, with the agreement of the match committee, is trying to prop himself up by playing someone who on current form is making the team worse and his coaching job considerably harder?

Ratts admits Judd's been injured and yet is being played....why?


Judd and the medical staff make the call...not Ratts. Judd wants to play.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:09 am 
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So you're telling us Ratten (as the head) coach hasn't got a say?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:12 am 
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not that hard to comprehend , same in nearly every other sport, team , coach etc

medical staff give coach/mc list of fit players

team is then picked from that

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:14 am 
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Whatever is wrong with Judd, it's more than just age.
Judd had lost weight in the off-season and at times had the old zip back at training, before the shoulder injury.
I wouldn't be surprised if the old groin is getting the better of him.

At stages this year, we would have been hard pressed fielding a team where no player was carrying an injury or was not underdone.
Three weeks ago we had 30% of our squad on the injured list.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:36 am 
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Then Ratten is either stupid, blind or self indulgent if he can't see or understand the extent of injury that his star player is not fit enough to play up to his standards or the team’s advantage and not its detriment.
What I understand is that players with injuries are perceived manageable and pushed more then needed and so the extent of the injury is prolonged or worsened. This is no more prevalent when the performance of the team is well under expectations and the pressure is heightened around the coaching and his staff.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:27 pm 
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Then Ratten is either stupid, blind or self indulgent if he can't see or understand the extent of injury that his star player is not fit enough to play up to his standards or the team’s advantage and not its detriment.
What I understand is that players with injuries are perceived manageable and pushed more then needed and so the extent of the injury is prolonged or worsened. This is no more prevalent when the performance of the team is well under expectations and the pressure is heightened around the coaching and his staff.


I reckon that's harsh RB. If things work as suggested then I don't know what else Ratts is meant to do. The medical team says Judd's ok, Judd says he's right and he's obviously worth his place in the team. Is Ratts meant to treat him like a child and tell him "No ... I think you should rest"? (and put your sweater on before you go outside). And that's assuming Ratts has the casting vote on the MC.

And to be fair to Judd and the medical team, this is all being looked at with hindsight. What would you do next Thursday if it were up to you and Judd said that the rest had freshened him up and he was right to go? Give him a game or tell him he needs more rest?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:55 pm 
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If the Judd says he is okay and the medical staff agree then I would certainly play him.

But if the game starts and he is not having any influence then I would get him to take his tagger deep into our forward line where he can at least take a mark, maybe kick a goal or two, and where his opponent is going to be uncomfortable

I would not let him stay in the midfield getting metaphorically and literally smashed

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:49 pm 
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Then Ratten is either stupid, blind or self indulgent if he can't see or understand the extent of injury that his star player is not fit enough to play up to his standards or the team’s advantage and not its detriment.
What I understand is that players with injuries are perceived manageable and pushed more then needed and so the extent of the injury is prolonged or worsened. This is no more prevalent when the performance of the team is well under expectations and the pressure is heightened around the coaching and his staff.


I reckon that's harsh RB. If things work as suggested then I don't know what else Ratts is meant to do. The medical team says Judd's ok, Judd says he's right and he's obviously worth his place in the team. Is Ratts meant to treat him like a child and tell him "No ... I think you should rest"? (and put your sweater on before you go outside). And that's assuming Ratts has the casting vote on the MC.

And to be fair to Judd and the medical team, this is all being looked at with hindsight. What would you do next Thursday if it were up to you and Judd said that the rest had freshened him up and he was right to go? Give him a game or tell him he needs more rest?

if our meds say hes right to go.. id rest him......thats what i think of the medical groups work
SSecondly.. you can see the guy is struggling.. and deteriorating...

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:10 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
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Then Ratten is either stupid, blind or self indulgent if he can't see or understand the extent of injury that his star player is not fit enough to play up to his standards or the team’s advantage and not its detriment.
What I understand is that players with injuries are perceived manageable and pushed more then needed and so the extent of the injury is prolonged or worsened. This is no more prevalent when the performance of the team is well under expectations and the pressure is heightened around the coaching and his staff.


I reckon that's harsh RB. If things work as suggested then I don't know what else Ratts is meant to do. The medical team says Judd's ok, Judd says he's right and he's obviously worth his place in the team. Is Ratts meant to treat him like a child and tell him "No ... I think you should rest"? (and put your sweater on before you go outside). And that's assuming Ratts has the casting vote on the MC.

And to be fair to Judd and the medical team, this is all being looked at with hindsight. What would you do next Thursday if it were up to you and Judd said that the rest had freshened him up and he was right to go? Give him a game or tell him he needs more rest?


BigKev maybe I am being a bit harsh but my point is that the head coach should have some better insight to the extent of injuries and form without relying on medical opinion or the players eagerness to play.
He should be a great observer and communicator with his players and support staff.
The pressure to keep your star players on the park would be enormous and for good reason but do the advantages out weigh the disadvantages in the short term.
If I was in that situation I would hope that we could find a beneficial outcome for the player, team and coach.
If Ratten is as close to his players as they makes out then he should know if and who is fit, injured and raring to go.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:02 pm 
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

Laidler is either the unluckiest player in the AFL atm or he has been brought back too early yet again.

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