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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:18 am 
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Pro
Carrots Scotland simpson

Good effort from Watson

better performance and should have brought attitude to aints PA Adelaide game and we wouldnt be in this mess

CONS
dropping of Bootsma ridiculous - not playing lucas

best players -scotland and carrazzo who were out injured - what are these others doing

Tell Joseph to never ever kick backwards - he needs to always kick forward irrespective of position on the ground and situation - know your limitations

not going to make 8 and a WASTED SEASON when the window should be opened

rucks murdered
kick outs for three quarters of game went straight to opposition
forwar structure

dont play yarran if he isnt fit

see the week after next if we can lose to Hawthorn by 11 points and be called brave

press calling us brave when they should be saying we are the most disappointing side in the competition

I started these pros and cons threads in the dark old days when we had just a glimmer of hope and for some positivity - cant believe we are back here so quickly


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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:57 pm 
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Cons: the MC playing injured players....most notably Judd....reaks of desperation....pathetic

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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:33 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Cons: the MC playing injured players....most notably Judd....reaks of desperation....pathetic


Judd, Kreuzer, Yarran just for starters. Equivalent of giving the oppositiona huge head start.

Pro:

A big important "pro"...Watson


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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:38 pm 
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I would have thought most players play injured throughout the season.

Take out Judd, Kreuzer, Yarran and replace with who that won't then become the next whipping boy of the TC!

Rest injured players and have no real idea who to replace with.

Ratts said Boots was tiring. How is that inconceivable to some people give this is Year 1 and he is built like a piece of paper?


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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:32 pm 
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Juanita Jones wrote:
I would have thought most players play injured throughout the season.

Take out Judd, Kreuzer, Yarran and replace with who that won't then become the next whipping boy of the TC!

Rest injured players and have no real idea who to replace with.

Ratts said Boots was tiring. How is that inconceivable to some people give this is Year 1 and he is built like a piece of paper?

McKiness second season..
Kerr third season

Both on the list....

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 Post subject: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:39 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Reaks of desperation....pathetic


agree.


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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:04 pm 
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Juanita Jones wrote:
I would have thought most players play injured throughout the season.

Take out Judd, Kreuzer, Yarran and replace with who that won't then become the next whipping boy of the TC!

Rest injured players and have no real idea who to replace with.

Ratts said Boots was tiring. How is that inconceivable to some people give this is Year 1 and he is built like a piece of paper?


Not when an injury makes you next to useless and has potential for longer term damage, not to mention loses you games. You'd have got more out of a kid than you would've out of Judd and Yarran combined last night. Bootsma had a bye to get over any tiredness.

Players do play with niggles but for most performance isn't affected. When performance is affected then you don't risk them.


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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:24 am 
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j.scarponi wrote:
Pros:
second half of season is a good run and I will be bitterly disapointed if we don't get a strong run of wins.
carrots!
able to get close in games against top sides with no key forwards dominating.

cons: onfield leadership group in first half.
judd!
No room for Hendo in the backline but always thought he needs 2-3 games to get itno the rythm in the forward line
contested marking is very poor.


Sadly we don't have any key forwards and that is the weakness that stops us going all the way, bit like the doggies a few years ago, too much reliance on small forwards.

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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
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the bulldogs didn't get over the line by a kick! that's not to say they were better off with Barry hall!
when they didn't become predictable by always kicking to Barry they were unpredictable.
then more dangerous with their style.
I don't think they needed to recruit Barry!

they did fall for the media talk and suffered!

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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:08 pm 
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People here wanted Ratts to have a more obvious gameplan a year or so back.


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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:30 pm 
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what ????? :sly:

Ratts has had nothing.
He has been chopping and changing what he does all the time.. not evolving it but following what everybody else is doing.
Except when he stumbled across the run....
Then when that was checked .. he even threw that whole baby out with the bathwater.. and were back to doing a jumblela salad

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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:12 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
what ????? :sly:

Ratts has had nothing.
He has been chopping and changing what he does all the time.. not evolving it but following what everybody else is doing.
Except when he stumbled across the run....
Then when that was checked .. he even threw that whole baby out with the bathwater.. and were back to doing a jumblela salad


I agree he and i guess Richardson have just used other peoples ideas but so have westcoast ,Essendon* and Crows. Nothing new in what they are doing. Even Malthouse ripped off the saints.

I think Ratts failure is him not getting consistent effort out of the players. Whether that is because he has put his faith in the wrong guys, is unable to change the playing list culture since the fev years or whether he is just really bad at getting effort out of players I doubt we will ever really know


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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:57 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
what ????? :sly:

Ratts has had nothing.
He has been chopping and changing what he does all the time.. not evolving it but following what everybody else is doing.
Except when he stumbled across the run....
Then when that was checked .. he even threw that whole baby out with the bathwater.. and were back to doing a jumblela salad


I agree he and i guess Richardson have just used other peoples ideas but so have westcoast ,Essendon* and Crows. Nothing new in what they are doing. Even Malthouse ripped off the saints.

I think Ratts failure is him not getting consistent effort out of the players. Whether that is because he has put his faith in the wrong guys, is unable to change the playing list culture since the fev years or whether he is just really bad at getting effort out of players I doubt we will ever really know


Collingwood boundary game was the Saints???
wow!!!

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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:34 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
what ????? :sly:

Ratts has had nothing.
He has been chopping and changing what he does all the time.. not evolving it but following what everybody else is doing.
Except when he stumbled across the run....
Then when that was checked .. he even threw that whole baby out with the bathwater.. and were back to doing a jumblela salad


I agree he and i guess Richardson have just used other peoples ideas but so have westcoast ,Essendon* and Crows. Nothing new in what they are doing. Even Malthouse ripped off the saints.

I think Ratts failure is him not getting consistent effort out of the players. Whether that is because he has put his faith in the wrong guys, is unable to change the playing list culture since the fev years or whether he is just really bad at getting effort out of players I doubt we will ever really know


Collingwood boundary game was the Saints???
wow!!!

:?


Press. Defense first. Using score against as an indicator of how compact the team was on the day.
Going wide is something Ross Lyons Saints did as a defensive tactic just like MM.

Wow !!!! I am sure you know this but chose to ignore it.


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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:10 pm 
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so malthouse copied saints and beat them at their own game?

genius!

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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:20 pm 
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Yes. That and he had better players than the Saints. Almost blew it though. Shame....


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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:27 pm 
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Just on that I always thought it might be better to look at how many GF's a coach gets his side to, rather than wins. mainly because so many things can go wrong on the day and because sometimes a coach does brilliantly to get his side to the GF but really his side is no match for the opposition.

A bounce of the ball for Lyons

Hanna taken out

Poor conversion

games can be won or lost by the players but a coaches task stretches across the season. Can a coach get the side to the GF for a shot at the flag?

Just a thought....

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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
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dannyboy wrote:
Poor conversation




ie. over moderated?

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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:22 pm 
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what'you talkin' 'bout?

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 Post subject: Re: R12: Pros and Cons
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Oooh I see what you've done there.

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