From a simple outsiders point of view (my view), each and every facet of the club should be geared towards one thing, and one thing only; onfield success. Every department, every employee of the club has their own role and place, but as a whole it should all be working towards wins/finals/flags.

To me the measurement of any successful club is simply success. If success is not coming, then the "club" is failing. All this talk of profitability as a club and what not means nothing to me. My investment (membership) isn't for financial return, it's for onfield returns and the chance for an elusive premiership. A business aims for profit, a footy club should aim for success. The two, however, must work together.

I just feel as if there is no accountability. That board members, players and coaches all exist on a different level, each with different aims and goals. There is no checks and balances. If this is the view from someone on the outside, I'd hate to see what it really looks like up close.

If the club/board/players/bootshiners are to meet my simple guide to be considered successful, they must deliver wins. To the average supporter (the vast majority) that's all that matters. At the moment, there is considerable doubt this can be achieved. The real issue from our perspective is that we feel powerless to contribute other than membership money that funds failure.

We said we'd make 50,000 members and we haven't.

In itself not a crime, but if we're making bold predictions on and off the field—and I applaud the club for doing so—then we need to find out why the goals haven't been met. Similarly, making bold claims like that, showing ambition is a bit like the saying "Never ask a question you don't know the answer to." The point being if you're going to stick your neck out, using the 50K membership as an example, then you need to be fairly certain you're going to reach/surpass that mark, otherwise you open yourself up to claims of mediocrity.

From what I can see there were no real new ideas in regards to membership growth. I realise I'm out of the bubble by not being in Melbourne, but we never seem to be as visible as other clubs with our membership campaigns. Moreover, if making a claim about a membership target is not met and there are reports of basic things like the lack of follow up phone calls not being made to lapsed members then you're right, that's not mediocre, that's just plain incompetent.

To be fair the club has made good/welcome improvements in reaching out to members through Facebook, YouTube and twitter, but again they're not particularly innovative concepts.

At board level the gap between the top and the membership seems to be increasing. To me that's pretty mediocre.

The board has often said it needs to reduce its numbers. Instead it's growing/treading water and mostly without membership endorsement. To me that's pretty mediocre.

It's true on a general trend things are on the improve (off-field) but we used to be a power house club. We're nowhere near being a power house/leading club off the field. From what I can tell we're mostly relying on/expecting our history to make us a power house again. That's off the back of the worst 10 years on field the club has endured. To me that's pretty mediocre.

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Well put.

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Name facts were the clb isnt improving and I shall refrain from calling you Richmond supporters. I can only deal with facts not opinions here.

greater western Sydney are improving.
who are we comparing our improvements against.

your simpleton argument is just that!

deliverance mentality

can you here them banjos?

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Typical dribble. Didn't expect anything less unlikely those outside this forum do either.

dont be under any illusion that I am happy with the way this season is panning out nor have I been happy with the last 10 or so years - The Club has been crap on field and off field and a lot of the demise has been brought on by overractions from the supporter and members base who were basically sucked in by the AFL- I don't want to see the club go down the same track as it did over 10 years ago when supporters and members percieved something was going on with out knowing all the facts and what was happening behind closed doors

The numbers are growing albeit at a pace far slower than what others want but they are growing

We are not a top AFL and it will always be difficult being 1 of 10 in Melbourne in becoming that - But they are crawling off the bottom year by year they are bringing it back

For the first time in a long time there appears to be stability and growth in the right direction and the club probably needs 10 or so years of that stability before we see long term sustained growth in members and finances - Thats what Geelong did - Thats what Hawthorn did and thats What Collingwood did - ( how long has Eddie been in charge 17 years)

They appear to me to be high lighting areas that need improving and slowly addressing them - you cant ask for more - Unless you are this instant gratification sought of person

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OK - Facts.

1. The clb used to have a "u" in it. It's gone. So we're going down in the number of letters.
2. It used to be that when there was one erudite post outlining in simple terms what's missing, you would still ask for it again. Now, it's up to around 10 erudite posts outlining in simple terms what's missing, and you're still asking for it again.
3. No poofters.
4. GIBBS.
5. In the first 16 years of my going to the footy, we won 4 flags; in the 2nd 16 years, we won 4 flags; in the 3rd 16 years (ie, the last 16 years), we've won ZERO.

DO.YOU.GET.IT?????

Come on now. No potting us as Richmond supporters. Make an intelligent response. I dare you!! If you did, that would show more improvement than the club has shown!

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Except for your own.

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With the calibre of posts here and it's so called intelligence [lol] making groupie ad hoc decisions based on 5? 10 maybe forum relics that can't put forward a fact based arguement...does nothing for me.. The forum owners must be loving life with the traffic with all the sack threads.

instant gratification?

its a twenty five year fall from grace!
the club has not picked itself up and moved forward into the modern age to be a leading club.
the slower we do this the more daylight the good clubs will put between themeselves and us!

its just how the universe works until those clubs become lethargic earn an innate sense of laziness and get gobbled up by the teams coming over the top with ambition and innovation

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Well everyone has opinions and I respect them, believe it or not. Some facts will be nice though. You don't have anything guys... zilcho. So keep crying I guess.

Well lets look at it another way.
Just say 18th place is 1$..and 1st place is $18.

Now plot Carlton's share price if you will on a chart since 2004...is she going up or down... trying to make it simple for you.

Fact: We're currently out of the 8.

Fact: Last year we finished the H&A season in 5th, which was equal to our worst ladder position for all of 2011.

And, erm, this is an opinon-based forum, haha. Enjoy!

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If CFC was a company they say a retracement is always healthy..it gives the company a wake up call. Facts we are two games out of top 4. You have Geelong v Sydney & Collingwood v WCE this week.. so at worst case scenario we will be 3 games out of top four. I am not happy with the way the season is going - but I am also prepared to SUPPORT [interesting concept, huh] the club in order to find its feet and excel at the pointy end of season.

It's not lost on me that you joined this site on April Fool's Day. There's something very familiar about your posts...sure you haven't posted under another alias before? Maybe many aliases.

It is a company.

Has someone just rained on your parade?

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Reckon it's that "denim underpants" guy who backed Smorgo to the hilt, haven't seen him since..