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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:24 pm 
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blues8182 wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
We’ve gone from looking like a good side not really trying to an average side that is really trying. We’re a side that has lost confidence and belief. If the game’s close, I expect us to lose.

Terrific game and effort from Carrots. Real leader of the club. Probably should be captain.
Some wonderful defensive spoiling from Jamison.
Duigan’s form has been good the last 2 weeks.
Robbo had a terrific 2nd half. But not quite at the same level this year, after his break out season last year.
Enjoying Tuohy’s ongoing development. I reckon he’ll have a terrific career for us.
After a few good weeks, McLean didn’t really get near it.
Really happy that we’re getting games into Watson. He’s got some limitations. But doing well. And he also has some real weapons. His kicking is incredible. Nice that he can sit back inside 50 and be a distributor. Hopefully that means we can be a bit more attacking with players like Gibbs.
Not quite sure why we would be playing Joseph ahead of Bootsma. Bootsma’s form has been better. And surely we must be in development mode for the future.


Stef, the only reason I can see for AJ getting a game over Bootsma was body size, I am thinking that they thought AJ would be able to handle the Physical pressure a bit more and had more chance of getting contested possessions and creating stoppages, it is also the only reason I can come up with as to why he gets a game over Lucas, unless Lucas is doing something that makes the MC think he is not worthy of a senior game.

BTW I would have played Bootsma over AJ on Thursday night.


I am pretty sure I read an interview with Ratts where he stated that Bootsma just needed a rest, he is only a first year player.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:47 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
This year is turning into the most depressing year of them all
If you ask me


Carlton this season has been like the night out where you meet that hot girl. She flirts with you, dances with you provocatively and then invites you back to her place.....

Only to then arrange for her boyfriend to bash you up, steal all your money and dump you in the middle of nowhere.

Other seasons have been a like a boring night out that ended with you losing your wallet.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:01 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Were losing the plot when we focus on the umpiring.
Players can tweet all they like.. but they live in glass houses and they shouldnt be throwing stones.

The umpires are not the reason why were struggling.
Its a nice deflection though.

Focus should be on our players , coaches and organisation.



Cant disagree with you there at all that the umpires are not the reason for us struggling ATM but I was merely attempting to correct what some were insinuating above my post. As umpiring had been brought up by others I thought it was worth a reply. The decision being discussed was wrong.

You may have noticed I have not posted on TC very much, instead sitting back and reading what others have said for quite a while. I have read a lot of your posts Synbad ( and enjoy/ agree with many of them )and it is quite obvious you struggle to actually agree with too many other posters, instead picking at what they say. As a 'forum" all have the right to say something about things that affect the CFC. On Thursday night the umpiring DID affect the match, with poor decisions being made both ways. Sorry if you don't think a footy forum is where this should be discussed.

Please don't assume I am saying that they are the reason we lost the game. As you state, lets look at the players, coaches and organisation and get to the root of the problems with CFC.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:16 pm 
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Swindon Blue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
This year is turning into the most depressing year of them all
If you ask me


Carlton this season has been like the night out where you meet that hot girl. She flirts with you, dances with you provocatively and then invites you back to her place.....

Only to then arrange for her boyfriend to bash you up, steal all your money and dump you in the middle of nowhere.

Other seasons have been a like a boring night out that ended with you losing your wallet.

:?: :?:
You've led an interesting life......

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:01 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
Swindon Blue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
This year is turning into the most depressing year of them all
If you ask me


Carlton this season has been like the night out where you meet that hot girl. She flirts with you, dances with you provocatively and then invites you back to her place.....

Only to then arrange for her boyfriend to bash you up, steal all your money and dump you in the middle of nowhere.

Other seasons have been a like a boring night out that ended with you losing your wallet.

:?: :?:
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:57 pm 
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blues8182 wrote:
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gerry atric wrote:
One thing, forget the umps. Yes we had a raw deal, the AJ one followed by an identical one not paid ag wce and also judd's 50 followed by what should have been a 50 ag wce for a carlton goal (when wce player handed the ball to the guy on the mark not the blues player) made me angry. But that wasn't what cost us the game. And we do a get less of the 50/50s over there but WCE and Freeo travel every second week and get less of the 50/50s here every second week.

Umps annoy me when the blues play, but I rarely notice them when I am watching a game where I don't care about the result. Focus on what you can control, be in front, be first to the ball. The excuses of umps and injuries only mask more serious deficiencies.



The AJ free kick was a free every day of the week. If you dive on the ball, it is your responsibility to get it out. He didn't.
If he had half a brain, he would have rushed the point.


BV the free was actually paid against Jamo,


Thats not correct. The umpire clearly stated twice "he dived on the ball, must knock it clear"
it doesnt matter how many times some posters want to state otherwise, the ball was on the ground, AJ went to his knees, grabbed the ball and rolled onto his back. Yes he tried to knock it clear but Darling stopped him from getting it out.
IMO, He could have knocked the ball through and chose to take possession instead. An error of judgement.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:08 pm 
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That wasn't a free. Joseph actually knocked it out, only for his handpass to bounce off Darling who fell on top of the ball and Joseph. Darling had possession like Brian Taylor's call noted. Jamison tackles Darling, yet the WC player received the free. Wrong.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:57 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
it doesnt matter how many times some posters want to state otherwise, the ball was on the ground, AJ went to his knees, grabbed the ball and rolled onto his back. Yes he tried to knock it clear but Darling stopped him from getting it out.
IMO, He could have knocked the ball through and chose to take possession instead. An error of judgement.


15.2.5 Diving on Top of the Football
Where a Player is in possession of the football by reason of
diving on top of or dragging the football underneath their body,
the field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against that Player
if they do not immediately knock the football clear or Correctly
Dispose of the football when Correctly Tackled.

So he didn't do either of the two bolded bits? Make up your mind. Players are obviously trained to respond to this situation by grabbing the ball, rolling on their back and then trying to knock the ball clear. Either that or try to stand up. And just as obviously, umpires have been advised to pick out random frees in these situations in an attempt to prevent the so-called rolling mauls - without letting the clubs or public know.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:21 am 
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You flower cares
We lost and we are average
Forget about the umps
focus on the club


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:52 am 
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keogh wrote:
You !@#$%& cares
We lost and we are average
Forget about the umps
focus on the club



Sorry.

"Sack the coach!" "The coach is shit!"

Is that better?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:03 am 
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Had a busy weekend so I apologise for being a bit late

Carlton Highlights
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AFL match highlights
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Brett Rattens presser
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The Joseph holding the ball decision
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The Judd 50m penalty
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Zach Touhy feature
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:30 am 
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Swindon Blue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
This year is turning into the most depressing year of them all
If you ask me


Carlton this season has been like the night out where you meet that hot girl. She flirts with you, dances with you provocatively and then invites you back to her place.....

Only to then arrange for her boyfriend to bash you up, steal all your money and dump you in the middle of nowhere.

Other seasons have been a like a boring night out that ended with you losing your wallet.



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If we wake up in a bathtub missing a kidney then
It will really be time to panic


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:07 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
That wasn't a free. Joseph actually knocked it out, only for his handpass to bounce off Darling who fell on top of the ball and Joseph. Darling had possession like Brian Taylor's call noted. Jamison tackles Darling, yet the WC player received the free. Wrong.

Kouta.... I agree with your assessment of the situation. This decision and a few others prompted me to write the following that I am considering submitting to "The White Maggot" now called The Daily Maggot.

http://thedailymaggot.com/


Umpires 10 to 1 in the West
AFL CEO Andrew Demetriou has denied rumours that the AFL plan to do away with the West Coast Eagles “10 to 1” agreement with West Australian umpires. Demetriou said “As a result of complaints made by visiting Victorian teams, some consideration was given to instruction the umpires to stop giving WCE a significant advantage in the number of free kicks and to stop them paying many more free kicks to WCE within goal kicking range.”
The AFL Rules Committee were given legal advice that such a direction from the AFL would breach the ’10 to 1” agreement that the Umpires Association have signed with the WCE. Although the terms of this agreement are confidential, it is understood that it includes a clause that states that WCE must receive free kicks at a ratio of 10 to 1 until such time in a game that they are in an unassailable winning position. The umpires may then proceed to pay free kicks to the opposition in order to try to even up the statistics.
A secondary clause in the agreement ensures that umpires must pay at least 50% of WCE free kicks within scoring range and conversely, under no circumstances pay a free kick to opposition sides anywhere in their forward line. Whilst it cannot be confirmed, it is believed that a clause in the OPSM sponsorship of umpires stipulates that the umpire officiating in the WCE forward line must wear OPSM prescription contact lenses but must take them out if they venture into the opposition forward line.
Demetriou said that these rules were in the best interests of the game to enable it to flourish in the non-Victorian states. In keeping with this concept he stated that the AFL would rethink the extent of the draft advantages given to the new Gold Coast Suns and Greater Western Sydney Giants. “We realised that we may have not given sufficient advantages to the new teams by giving them 90% of the first 50 draft picks. So we are now considering giving them 99% of the first 100 picks. This should have even more impact with the introduction of unrestricted agencies as it will allow better access for the new clubs to the best players in the league. To be fair, established clubs will be compensated by being in a raffle to secure the 100th pick and then get an equal number of picks afterwards.”
The AFL Coaches Association were asked for comment on Western Australian umpires via their Facebook and Twitter sites but a filter on their sites imposed by the AFL did not allow them to mention the words “umpires” or “West Coast Eagles” in the same statement. Responding to a complaint about the filter, Andrew Demetriou said that the AFL supported free speech as much as other powerful ruling bodies like China and Burma. One coach managed to circumvent the filter by suggesting that umpires for every second game in Perth should go back to wearing the traditional white shorts and that the outfit should be complimented by a blue, yellow and white top. The coach said that this move would make it clearer to visiting coaches to maintain appropriate match ups during the game and to keep a better track of all their opponents.
Mr Demetriou also defended the AFL decision to use three WA umpires for all WCE games in Perth. He said that the cost to fly in interstate umpires might make him have to fly economy with the players and that's just not on.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:38 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
This year is turning into the most depressing year of them all
If you ask me

2005 was depressing for me - after the 10 wins in 04 - 2005 reality hit, we were screwed


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:54 pm 
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Swindon Blue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
This year is turning into the most depressing year of them all
If you ask me


Carlton this season has been like the night out where you meet that hot girl. She flirts with you, dances with you provocatively and then invites you back to her place.....

Only to then arrange for her boyfriend to bash you up, steal all your money and dump you in the middle of nowhere.

Other seasons have been a like a boring night out that ended with you losing your wallet.


Hahahah. Couple of good analogies there. :smile:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:42 pm 
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stroby1 wrote:
Swindon Blue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
This year is turning into the most depressing year of them all
If you ask me


Carlton this season has been like the night out where you meet that hot girl. She flirts with you, dances with you provocatively and then invites you back to her place.....

Only to then arrange for her boyfriend to bash you up, steal all your money and dump you in the middle of nowhere.

Other seasons have been a like a boring night out that ended with you losing your wallet.


Hahahah. Couple of good analogies there. :smile:


What? Anal orgies?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:07 pm 
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Did the night just get better? :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:12 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
This year is turning into the most depressing year of them all
If you ask me

2005 was depressing for me - after the 10 wins in 04 - 2005 reality hit, we were screwed


This is far worse 2005 we thought we might make the finals if all goes well we won the wizard and thought we had arrived but once the real stuff started we knew we were way off
This year reminded me of the Carlton i grew up knowing we lost every preseason game we set our sights on nothing less than top 4 ( in other words we thought we were a big chance) after our first 3 games we were riding a wave then Laidler goes down a minute ir 2 later carrotts is subbed off the bombers roll us and everything just turns to shit and there is no sign of turning it around

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:17 pm 
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Did the night just get better? :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:42 pm 
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billy_bongo wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
it doesnt matter how many times some posters want to state otherwise, the ball was on the ground, AJ went to his knees, grabbed the ball and rolled onto his back. Yes he tried to knock it clear but Darling stopped him from getting it out.
IMO, He could have knocked the ball through and chose to take possession instead. An error of judgement.


15.2.5 Diving on Top of the Football
Where a Player is in possession of the football by reason of
diving on top of or dragging the football underneath their body,
the field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against that Player
if they do not immediately knock the football clear or Correctly
Dispose of the football when Correctly Tackled.

So he didn't do either of the two bolded bits? Make up your mind. Players are obviously trained to respond to this situation by grabbing the ball, rolling on their back and then trying to knock the ball clear. Either that or try to stand up. And just as obviously, umpires have been advised to pick out random frees in these situations in an attempt to prevent the so-called rolling mauls - without letting the clubs or public know.

The Geisch has admitted that the umps got this one wrong. That's great, but we need them get it right, in real time. and not @#$%&! use guess work!!

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