I reckon I would have predicted at least one eyeroll...

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You would have to put Rowe getting cancer into the calculations when looking to conclude that Ratts list management = Voss 2009 effort .

I see the similatities in what you are saying but we may never know if Ratts had the right idea due to the big C raising its ugly head. Cancer v gambling and drinking problems .

Rowe's cancer issue is extremely unfortunate and I am sure we wish him all the best for the speediest recoveries and hopefully for him back to playing if that is what he wants to do.

But I dont factor that issue at all in our decision to recruit Rowe.

If it was our recruiters decision to get Rowe on our list we should have been able to do it in a way which didnt cost us a 2nd Round Draft Pick, didnt result in us having to choose between Paul Bower and Setanta O'hAilpin, and ultimately losing the opportunity to recruit a talented young 18 year old player like Jordan Murdoch.

It is simply an issue of diabolical list management and short sightedness.

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That would have meant our list carries an extra tall and another contract that wasn't a huge one but not a first year one either.

So to me it comes down to Murdoch or Rowe. Ratts obviously wanted a big body inside 50 and didnt want to wait around for Murdoch to develop. That is 2009 Voss like. Unfortunately Rowes illness stands in the way of us knowing if Ratts was on the right path.

Only because it actually came down to that choice because of our List Management debacle.

There were numerous things we could have done like re-rookied players, made some tougher delisting decisions instead of "good ole boy" decisions.

In particular if we were so hot on Rowe (and we were just as keen to get him over in 2011) we could have actually found someone on our list of coteries/supporters who was a builder and Rowe could have come over in 2011 as a Rookie and completed his Building Apprenticeship over here as well - job done.

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I am not disagreeing with you apart from the Voss link and now the 'good ol boy' talk.

remind we which stats Setanta was better than Waite on because I am having difficulty finding them

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_p ... 1=C&fid2=C

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You would have to put Rowe getting cancer into the calculations when looking to conclude that Ratts list management = Voss 2009 effort .

I see the similatities in what you are saying but we may never know if Ratts had the right idea due to the big C raising its ugly head. Cancer v gambling and drinking problems .[/quote]


Rowe's cancer issue is extremely unfortunate and I am sure we wish him all the best for the speediest recoveries and hopefully for him back to playing if that is what he wants to do.

But I dont factor that issue at all in our decision to recruit Rowe.

If it was our recruiters decision to get Rowe on our list we should have been able to do it in a way which didnt cost us a 2nd Round Draft Pick, didnt result in us having to choose between Paul Bower and Setanta O'hAilpin, and ultimately losing the opportunity to recruit a talented young 18 year old player like Jordan Murdoch.

It is simply an issue of diabolical list management and short sightedness.[/quote]

We had to draft minimum three . Drafted Bootsma & Buckley...don't think the club was interested in draft pick 80 or whatever... so kept Bower on list and recruited a sound SANFL key forward that performs with only pick available a round two pick. What happened to big Sammy is just unfortunate but he will get over this and has >80% chance of being ready for pre season training. Would it have made it easier if Buckly was recruited at round two and Rowe round three?

chasing and harassing defenders?
playing all over the park when we needed him? not laying on the ground like a turtle on its back!

playing in the corridor?

that's a few to begin with

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Rowe's cancer issue is extremely unfortunate and I am sure we wish him all the best for the speediest recoveries and hopefully for him back to playing if that is what he wants to do.

But I dont factor that issue at all in our decision to recruit Rowe.

If it was our recruiters decision to get Rowe on our list we should have been able to do it in a way which didnt cost us a 2nd Round Draft Pick, didnt result in us having to choose between Paul Bower and Setanta O'hAilpin, and ultimately losing the opportunity to recruit a talented young 18 year old player like Jordan Murdoch.

It is simply an issue of diabolical list management and short sightedness.[/quote]

We had to draft minimum three . Drafted Bootsma & Buckley...don't think the club was interested in draft pick 80 or whatever... so kept Bower on list and recruited a sound SANFL key forward that performs with only pick available a round two pick. What happened to big Sammy is just unfortunate but he will get over this and has >80% chance of being ready for pre season training. Would it have made it easier if Buckly was recruited at round two and Rowe round three?[/quote]
what was so sound about Rowe!?

twenty five and chopped from a rookie list and did not do anything marvelous in Adelaide. plus hardly the best mover I have due, seen.

granted just seem highlights but that was hardly anything fantastic for second round must have.
the bits I did see playing for us were mediocre.

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Tackle count reflects all this

He was shit the worst 80 game player I have seen

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I bet he stayed on his feet and therefore in the contest more than Waite.

speaking of Waite how many games has he played in his eleven year career? or is it twelve?

how many good games has he strung together?

twenty nine years old and overall not a solid contributor

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He averages 14 games a year so whats your point

Kernahan- Ratten- Kouta- Campereale - Whitnal - Beaumont - Allan -Waite

You love bagging players that have actually contributed to the club and the team but stick up for the duds

Wasn't Pagan your idol a few years back

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what's my idol got to do with Waite and his output over a decade?

nice deflection there!

Waite! is that a satisfactory career or not?

the Irishman had to learn the game too!

Waite played it since he was a kid and he thinks its about laying on his back!

Mohammad Ali fought a wrestler from Japan in an exhibition fight. the guy spent the whole fight if you can call it that on his back on the ground. Ali never got down there with him. understandable! but football is about keeping your feet!

besides really rich of you bagging me for bagging players when you make racist remarks about our indigenous boys and bag who you like!

that's laying it on very rich my friend!

football is football and we are here to discuss what we see! but don't ever tell me I bag individual footballers during our very darkest those of performances when you tarnish an ethnic group!

now I have almost heard it all!

the bigot calling the bagger bagger!

you should listen to yourself!

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Waites out put has far from been any good but it has been a dam sight better than Setanta ever was or ever will be

So if you say indeginous players are inconsistant you are a bigot and a racist are you - Why is this" Please Explain "

and why is it only White Anglos are racist

I would have given Eddie best on ground the other night a racist would do that would he

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because from a whole heap of under performers you choose to unload on those two the other day but said *I won't in case I get labelled racist* what the hell? they are small forwards reliant on what's going on around them to stay in the game!

Waite has done bugger all!

the guy has been threatening to blow the house down for a decade and instead lays on the ground every chance he gets.

Irish was always trying to contribute something.

more players like him and less liars like Waite every club needs.

was a pretty good performer for a team of kids against us too till he went down.

clubs need players that leave nothing at the door.

its simple!

some players add to the alchemy of a team even if they're not the best.

we are feeling Irish departure!

the small forwards who were satellites around him definitely do.

the man did not run to the pockets.
he chased and pressured!

Waite with all his talent did not

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Not impressed with our recruiting and list management either, but a bit too much hindsight around here. You can take any draft and any club and find players they should have drafted. I remember when several posters here were saying that it would be nice tobe able to get Tambling some years ago.

We done some good individual recruiting from time to time, e.g. Betts as a rookie or Yarran. What we are really bad at is list management and strategy. Also development might not be up to par.

Heard somebody on radio analyzing the difference in Pies and our injury woes. He said the difference was that most of our players are one position players, while the Pies have more versatility. This means they can move a first team into a crucial spot, while using the kids from he second in less problematic position, like halfback flank etc. Carlton has to take players from the seconds and put them into crucial roles and the whole structure and game plan falls apart.

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