Synbad Setanta was shit dont try make him into something he wasnt you could count his good games on one hand

And if takes someone 15 years to learn a game and we recruited him at 22 he was going to come good at 36

The club waited to long to delist him should have done it 4 years earlier and used his spot on the list to try develop someone else

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The ted Hopkins piece combined with this analysis, supports the view that Lucas would be a better bet than Joseph, McLean. You might want to add Buckley, dale and a fit okeefe. We need ball carriers with good skills

SB, what a lot of crap, Setanta deserved a spot on our list before Davies and White, they offer no more than what Setanta offered. At least he could present in the ruck. To say he was shit is a pathetic statement. He gave it all to the CFC, yes he was awkward and at times lost but how can you describe him as being shit. I could give many names we have recruited in the past 10 years that were less value to the CFC club.

Give me a Blues jumper and I would give my all too

But I would still be shit

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Disagree!

He might not have been a superstar, nor would he ever have won a B&F or even figured in our top 10..........

However.............. he gave 100% each and everytime and was the perfect 'back up' when we had injuries (such as now).

Question for you:- How many players on our list can play Ruck / Foward & Back?????? Not many - and in times such as now when our depth is being questioned, he would be the perfect player tp bring in.



But.......... He's gone........... and we now have to cover it. Which is why we're so lucky to have players such as Bower / Russell / White / Kerr & Davies who are earning their spot in our best 22.

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Oh bananas!
LOL
Hes been better than Waite has been over the last 3 years.
Hes done more than White
Hes a more effective forward than Hampson and Kreuzer.
Will play more games than Rowe and Casboult combined.
He worked hard in keeping the ball in... something we have been terrible at since he was delisted by the master bozo coach in his quest to find Wayne Carey....

Pathetic treatment of a guy who was no superstar but certainly had some go in him and wasnt limp and benign like so many others.


Setanta is one of the reasons we cant get our forward line running this year.
He didnt lead to pockets.
He had a dip 100% of the time.
He chased he created with his unorthodox ways and the only 2 players who could read him was Jeffy and Eddie...

So often he created something out of nothing in conjunction with those 2.

He made his mistakes... but his good outweighed his bad.

And there were many more to go before Setanta.

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What position would you play???Even shit!!!

Seriously.. what postion can you play???

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The list management decision by Ratten that resulted in Carlton having to choose between Setanta & Bower, then using a second round draft pick on Rowe which meant us having to forgo Jordan Murdoch in the draft will go down in history as Ratten's - Voss swapping Hendo & Pick 12 for Fevola deal.

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Setanta the saviour ..... yep heard that many a times over the past 10 years ..... yep still waiting to see him do more than Bower or even get remotely close to Bower's output!. Yet he and his brother thought they deserved to be treated like kings because of all that crap being tossed about by some. Give me a break.

My point has always been that we should have been able to retain BOTH Bower and O'hAilpin if it wasn't for our poor list management.

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Yet it seems Ratts is hell bent on turning Bower into the Irishman with his amazing forays up forward....

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Again you miss the point Surrey.
Setanta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a bunch of other hacks on our list... and the wasted 2nd round pick last year.

Simple.

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I can't believe people are arguing over having Setanta on the list. He was there ten years and still wasn't regular. Gave a great effort but was inconsistent and riddled with mistakes.

The MC did the right thing moving him on. It was time for Casboult, Waite, Henderson, Thornton, Mitchell to step up. Plus we have Kruezer and recruited Rowe who is a natural forward.

How many do you want on a list?

If we are seriously thinking Setanta was the answer we are struggling!

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Not prepaed to ride off Rowe yet considering recruitment has remarkedly improved. He will be fixed up and raring to go in pre season I would assume.

But he is more serviceable than Waite.. who gets a 3 year contract.
Casboult???Youre kidding... his most memorable piece of Carlton folklore will forever be the gimp bondage booze fest.
Waite????Dont make me laugh!!!
Henderson.. yes defender and top 10 pick.
T Bird isnt a regualr.
Mitchell???... yeah right... 5 shoulder reconstructions????
Rowe hasnt played one AFL game in 6 seasons... thats a worse record than Setantas.
He spent a couple as a rookie at Sydney.. delisted.. and wasnt picked up by anyone till now...

That seriously doesnt mean he is better than Setanta.. im sorry...!!!

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Waite is the most overrated player in the AFL
A 3 year deal.
My god

Carlos had served his time, but Waite should had been given his marching orders as well.
In saying that he was used disgracefully by Ratten who never allowed the guy to settle in possie.
Ratten diidnt like him as a player. Gets rid of him but gives a guy who has done just as much over the last 2 years a 3 year deal.

I say @#$%&! me

Blind faith for a favourite son again

Yep...@#$%&! ridiculous debate. Not to mention he constantly went against team rules. Great competitor, great bloke, but not a great talent of understanding the role of others around him. You only have to watch last years' final v WCE to see that.

What Carlton needs is not try hards from other sports they need pure skillful footballs guys that can think like footballers , have skills like footballers and play like footballers not experiments from othe sports
What do you want
Hampson- soccer background
Touhy - gaelic football background
Setanta - Hurling background
Warnock - Basketball background
Walker - athletics background
Armfield- Rugby Background
Gibbs - Netball Background


we need footballers not player who make dumb decisions and can't execute skills properly

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You haven't just shot yourself in the foot with a statement like that you have shot yourself in the head.


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..Walker won't have a fwd season like last year while we play 2 rucks up fwd, or even worse put hendo up there with them and play 3 talls.. ..hendo should play CHF, and let him work hard up the ground.. ..keep walker as the high marking lead up FF type..

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