I agree. I want to see him forward and i like your forward 6 except i would use that gibbs position as the one that we rotate mids like Murphy, jUdd and Robbo through like last year.

I was just pointing out that Walker to the midfield isnt really that astounding as we are short on players there and we learned to live without him there early in the season when he wasnt playing.

We seriously shot ourselves smack bang in the middle of the foot by delisting Setanta.

He was our most consistent and highest contested mark winner in the last part of last season.

His delisting is much a reflection on our appalling list management which resulted in us only having 3 live draft picks in the National Draft and having to use a second round draft pick on Sam Rowe.

At no stage should our List Management decision been based on a choice between Paul Bower and Setanta O'hAilpin.

We have not only cost ourselves some much needed versatility that Setanta provides but also a talented 18 year old player in Jordan Murdoch whom we nearly chose with our first round pick - and whom we actually had a debate on the draft table with when he was still available with our second round pick, but Brett Ratten over ruled and we chose Sam Rowe and Geelong couldnt believe their luck when Jordan Murdoch was still available a few picks later.

As I said craziness and anymore deliberate shooting in the foot we would be discharged dishonorably from the army for deserting.

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Why? We're missing Carrots and Murphy, he's been used now as a mid to get us some touches and carry in their absence.

He'll be playing more inside 50 once Carrots returns, lock it in.

Setanta has played 2 quarters this year and hardly had a pre season. Do you really think we need another unreliable tall forward on our list?

Surely the Carlos offloading cant be used as an example of shooting ourselves in the foot?

There is some really good chat going on in this thread. Good stuff!

Setanta was a mistake, I agree. Even if it shouldn't have gotten to a choice between him and Bower, the wrong choice was made when it did get there.

its just as crazy to bring up your argument that he would be injured if he was at Carlton.

but you would have to say if would be a valuable asset in our team structure!

probably more so than a few others.
exhibit a Simon White!

I could continue on but won't.

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Bloke is a turnip. It astounds me that he and Davies are still on the list. I don't reckon they would have got a game in our 2003-2007 sides.

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you have no idea how valuable these half back flank types can be to a teams structure!
we don't use so many picks on them for no reason whatsoever.
crucial types!

can't have enough of them fighting it out in the seconds or for a hospital bed.

gets boiled down to list management and ours is close to the worst!

mark my words. we will go after a big name player again. to shore things up of course. this will cost us a player and a pick.
we are a serpent devouring itself from the tail back!

we cannot help ourselves. its the nature of this beast!

I'm also guessing that player will be a ruck we will trade!
then there will be games next year we won't have a ruck on the park.

we will have gone from four to having none available!

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We have loads of unreliable tall forwards. Carlos would be another. He was injured all summer and barely did a pre season. Missed the first half a dozen games. Lala land stuff.

I doubt very much he would have made a difference.

He was our most reliable and best contested mark in the last half of the 2011 season - he has played 80 games, always provides a contest in a marking situation, can pinch hit in a variety of positions, we have spent 8 years developing him (and for us that is something ) to point where he is a more than useful contributor to our list, then we delist him for because we stupidly haven't managed our list properly.

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Because after years of being tried as a mid and nearly traded because of he was struggling he was moved forward and kicked over 50 goals. He has proved he is a forward not a midfielder. We are struggling to kick goals.

Whilst Carrots and Murphy are out Ellard has stepped up and we have AJ, Curnow, McLean, Lucas, Dale, Armfield, Collins, Gibbs, Robinson, Touhy, Russell that probably should of been chances to press their claims. Win/Win.

Helps our goal kicking issues and helps develop more midfielders!

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Still you can see what the MC were trying to do even if it was different to what you and I would do. Hardly astounding.

The game has changed since last year and i doubt Walks will get the delivery or the space he enjoyed in 2011. The MC had to try and make way for a couple of bigger bodies inside the arc as the ball will be coming into contest a lot more. Similar to the way it does in Grand Finals.

I am sure if it wasnt for our midfield losing players we would see more of Walks closer to goal but like most plans in the last month they have been hijacked by the loss of key personel.

He does turn it over as an onballer and it ruins his game as his defensive running is very good. Simplifying his gig by saying "get ball.....kick goal" is what works for Walker.

What if those mids are either sadly out of form, plainly not up to it or physically not ready? Read Curnow, Lucas, Dale, Russell and AJ. Need Tuohy down back for Laidler/Yazz regular absence.

No use having gun forwards if the ball gets inside 50 sub 40 times a game.

Though, the regular playing of Collins and Brock has bought them on, this I will concede.

Setanta was let go for Bower who isn't as unco and footy dumb as O'hAilpin. And that's saying something. Yet another case of Ratten's haters pushing their agenda and pumping up any good ordinary player. Funny how their talent increases exponentially after they play for another club.

Just like we shouldn't have picked Kreuzer with a top five pick because you can get a Maric and Giles.

Your not pushing an agenda your pushing (and taking drugs) with crap like that, at no stage have I ever advocated that.

My point was that it should never have come down to a choice between Bower and O'hAilpin - if our list management was smart instead of brain dead we would now have both players on our list - as well as Jordan Murdoch.

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Averaged 10 games a year whilst on the list
Why is it crazy to suggest he wouldnt be injured

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Yup.

Mids come back => walker + garlett spend more time up forward

backs come back i.e. laidler (+fitness into yarran/duigan) => gibbs more time in the midfield

midyear review = typically poor effort of journalists nowadays - overly focussed on waite but never realise the other missing talls on the list that have killed team structure.

A bit rough to have a go at white and davies when they have been injured for most of the season. If they had of been injury free you can guarantee that they'd have come in during this season and given us at least some structure to work with

Given the amount of time setanta has spent on field this season, he'd be equally as useless to our team

Setanta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rowe
Setanta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Davies
Setanta>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>White
Setanta>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Watson

Already Ratten is the loser.

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Averaged 10 games a year cos he started off at a totally different sport.

Thats silly SB...!!!

Takes most footballers 15 years and most of those dont play 80 games.

Enthusiastic something this team lacks.
And a guy that is versatile.

Your argument doesnt stack up

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