Credit where it's due

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

anthopides wrote:

Friday nights effort was a massive inprovement on the efforts we have been seeing agree that Yarram is much too valuable on the field to be sitting on the boundary.

It is extroadinary with so many injuries Kane Lucas cant get a game

We should swap Yarram for Gartlett.

Megaman · **Posted:** Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:13 am

Silly moshe, he's referring to Yarren

camel · **Posted:** Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:50 am

Megaman wrote:

Silly moshe, he's referring to Yarren

I thought Rivers played for Melbourne.

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3073

Well done Brett Ratten.

Well done Brock McLean.

Well done Andrew Collins.

Real signs of improvement.

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

BigBlueWave wrote:

Well done Brett Ratten.

Well done Brock McLean.

Well done Andrew Collins.

Real signs of improvement.

In 2010 we beat them.
In 2011 we lost by 2 points.
This year we lost by 12 points.

At this rate of improvement, we could be in real trouble in a few years time.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Seriously, improvement compared to what? Credit for what? Losing?

We have lost 4 of the last 5. At this rate we will lose 7 out of 8. That is a massive slide. There are major issues.

It was good to see a better effort but we should be getting that every bloody week. We were still poor. Geelong are struggling, we have a good record against them. When we had space we looked good but as usual teams tied the game up or slowed the pace and we had no answer.

We have gone backwards and are going backwards at a rapid rate. Unless there is a dramatic turn around we will miss the finals. Losses shouldn't be tolerated.

Rattens after match conference made me sick. He is quickly becoming as bad as our politicians. Now we aren't even looking at finals and a loss to Geelong is a step in the right direction. FFS!!!!! :banghead:

We were aiming for top 4 , we were about flags, that was Carlton, wtf happened???? Talk about mixed messages.

It will take a miracle to beat WCE, Hawthorn and Collingwood over the next three weeks. If we don't, we don't make the finals and changes (in several areas) have to be made.

I don't care who the coach is, who the Football Manager is, who the CEO is, who the President is, it is NOT good enough.

I have said it numerous times but the mediocrity that has settled above this club cannot be tolerated anymore!

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3073

Oh so sorry ... I thought this thread was called Credit where its due .... there are so many negative rants going on ... I thought I could say something positive ... that under dire circumstances I reckon there were some positive signs.

We need to rename this thread please ... more criticism and more erratic negative rants! We are becoming more like Tiger supporters every day.

Blues2005 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:50 pm **Posts:** 2123

I love how we just brush over the fact that the side has been ravaged by injury to some of its most important players and how we expect that this should not have any serious effect on overall team performance.

While it is admirable how people some people refuse to use injuries as an excuse, I put it to you that not only are injuries an excuse, they are the main reason why sides do not perform up to expectations. The club can't come out and say this publicly, but as a supporter with no official affiliation with the club, I sure can and will. There is no point in pretending otherwise. In our case, not only have our key players been injured, but their likely replacements (i.e. our depth) have also been injured, which compounds matters yet again.

That is not to say that no other problems could possibly exist on and off-field at the club. But a bad run of injuries to key structural players is going to have a deleterious impact upon any side and is the main reason why we have been struggling.

There is no doubt in my mind that with both teams at full-strength, we are comfortably a better side than Geelong and would have won quite easily on Friday night had Murphy, Carrazzo, Waite, Laidler etc. been playing (I realise that they had a couple out too, I just think that when both teams are healthy, we are superior). I also believe that should we be fortunate enough to see our key injured players return in the coming weeks, we will rise again and be capable of beating any side in the competition.

Blue Revival · **Joined:** Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:36 am **Posts:** 983

If Ratts came out and said that we were still aiming for the Top 4, and were good things to make it, you'd all say he was going mad. given our recent form, his expectations and assessments were sensible. poor bloke can't do anything right in some people's eyes. if we had of kicked some very straightforward goals in the last quarter on Sat night, he would have looked like a genius.

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

#headinthesand

simonverbeek · **Joined:** Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:38 pm **Posts:** 762

ThePsychologist wrote:

Seriously, improvement compared to what? Credit for what? Losing?

We have lost 4 of the last 5. At this rate we will lose 7 out of 8. That is a massive slide. There are major issues.

It was good to see a better effort but we should be getting that every bloody week. We were still poor. Geelong are struggling, we have a good record against them. When we had space we looked good but as usual teams tied the game up or slowed the pace and we had no answer.

We have gone backwards and are going backwards at a rapid rate. Unless there is a dramatic turn around we will miss the finals. Losses shouldn't be tolerated.

Rattens after match conference made me sick. He is quickly becoming as bad as our politicians. Now we aren't even looking at finals and a loss to Geelong is a step in the right direction. FFS!!!!! :banghead:

We were aiming for top 4 , we were about flags, that was Carlton, wtf happened???? Talk about mixed messages.

It will take a miracle to beat WCE, Hawthorn and Collingwood over the next three weeks. If we don't, we don't make the finals and changes (in several areas) have to be made.

I don't care who the coach is, who the Football Manager is, who the CEO is, who the President is, it is NOT good enough.

I have said it numerous times but the mediocrity that has settled above this club cannot be tolerated anymore!

Well said!!

All those talking about Friday night as some sort of "honourable loss" should be ashamed of themselves

And whilst we're at it, all those simply blaming inaccuracy are kidding themselves too.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

BigBlueWave wrote:

Oh so sorry ... I thought this thread was called Credit where its due .... there are so many negative rants going on ... I thought I could say something positive ... that under dire circumstances I reckon there were some positive signs.

We need to rename this thread please ... more criticism and more erratic negative rants! We are becoming more like Tiger supporters every day.

What a Pathetic Post. Saying people are more like Tiger supporters. Everyone is different. Ordinary thinking, lumping people into one category.

Why are comments negative erratic rants? Because they don't agree with your points of view? Cant we disagree?

Maybe you are happy with our current state but I'm not. Why, because I want to see positives, I want to see success and what is being put up at the moment isn't good enough and if thinks aren't fixed quickly we will miss this opportunity.

I have seriously had enough of the excuses and the acceptance of mediocrity!

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Blues2005 wrote:

I love how we just brush over the fact that the side has been ravaged by injury to some of its most important players and how we expect that this should not have any serious effect on overall team performance.

While it is admirable how people some people refuse to use injuries as an excuse, I put it to you that not only are injuries an excuse, they are the main reason why sides do not perform up to expectations. The club can't come out and say this publicly, but as a supporter with no official affiliation with the club, I sure can and will. There is no point in pretending otherwise. In our case, not only have our key players been injured, but their likely replacements (i.e. our depth) have also been injured, which compounds matters yet again.

That is not to say that no other problems could possibly exist on and off-field at the club. But a bad run of injuries to key structural players is going to have a deleterious impact upon any side and is the main reason why we have been struggling.

There is no doubt in my mind that with both teams at full-strength, we are comfortably a better side than Geelong and would have won quite easily on Friday night had Murphy, Carrazzo, Waite, Laidler etc. been playing (I realise that they had a couple out too, I just think that when both teams are healthy, we are superior). I also believe that should we be fortunate enough to see our key injured players return in the coming weeks, we will rise again and be capable of beating any side in the competition.

Crap. Injuries are not an excuse. Everyone has them and to be honest many of those injured aren't exactly influential players. Murphy definitely, Waite barley plays, Carrazzo very handy but no star and Laidler solid but not a match winner. We still put 22 players in Navy Blue on the field.

Why haven't we developed players to fill these positions? Other clubs have. Why haven't we got players that can come into a side and fill any role?

Injuries dont excuse effort. We didn't have these injuries when Essendon*, St Kilda and Adelaide took us apart.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Blue Revival wrote:

If Ratts came out and said that we were still aiming for the Top 4, and were good things to make it, you'd all say he was going mad. given our recent form, his expectations and assessments were sensible. poor bloke can't do anything right in some people's eyes. if we had of kicked some very straightforward goals in the last quarter on Sat night, he would have looked like a genius.

Really? A genius for beating a side we should beat.

Why are we not still aiming for top 4? It was our goal 6 weeks ago and it was apparently not acceptable to be thinking of anything else.

We have loads of talent we simply aren't getting the best out of it and I am tired of weak excuses.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

BigBlueWave wrote:

Well done Brett Ratten.

For what? Losing to Geelong.

FFS. We lost to a side we should beat. How the hell is that "Well done" :hitcomputer:

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Hornet wrote:

JohnM wrote:

Without wanting to come across like a smartarse, I have far higher standards for this club and this team than 'having a crack'.

Sticks himself said we're planning to win 3 flags in 5 years. So having a crack and falling short against a team destined for the lower reaches of the eight...

Nah.

My nomination for POW...

x 2

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

Blue Revival wrote:

If Ratts came out and said that we were still aiming for the Top 4, and were good things to make it, you'd all say he was going mad. given our recent form, his expectations and assessments were sensible. poor bloke can't do anything right in some people's eyes. if we had of kicked some very straightforward goals in the last quarter on Sat night, he would have looked like a genius.

If the Queen had balls she'd be the King.

How do you know that if we had HAVE kicked those goals, Geelong wouldn't HAVE stepped up a gear? They've seemed to do that often in the past 6 years.

Collingwood supporters talk about would shoulda coulda - the ball was out - Rocca's shot was a goal, etc. Carlton supporters talk about what is. I want premierships. My cousin who barracks for Collingwood just said to me "look every team has slumps". I responded with "this one's lasted over 10 years! I'm over it!"

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:18 pm

It's just a acknowledgement that Fridays performance was better than the pitiful efforts against Bombers, saints and Port.

Don't think there's a suggestion ( unless crazy j scarponi is posting) that things are fine and dandy.

Hell, I float between despair and fury, but Friday was better. Why the flower it takes 6 weeks to figure it out is my concern.

Trouble is I don't know who's at fault , so all I can do is rely on performances.

We lose this week and I'll be calling for the death penalty as well.

The_Cranium · **Posted:** Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:21 pm

Love the use of Deleterious

Think you should send that through to Ratts to use at his next presser. The media flogs would just about cream themselves.

It would certainly distract from the crap that he is spinning. Calling Friday night a step in the right direction is just utter garbage. Was it a better showing than the Port Adelaide tripe? Yes. Was it an acceptable performance that met expectations? No. It was an extremely disappointing loss of 4 points that a) we can't afford to give up and b) should never have lost given the circumstances of the game.

Suddenly honourable losses are acceptable. Truly the psychologist is Ratten. Players listen to that and think 'oh good. losing is OK as long as we look like we have a go'. Is he the coach of the Norwood under 12s or an AFL team???

The_Cranium · **Posted:** Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:25 pm

moshe25 wrote:

Blue Revival wrote:

If Ratts came out and said that we were still aiming for the Top 4, and were good things to make it, you'd all say he was going mad. given our recent form, his expectations and assessments were sensible. poor bloke can't do anything right in some people's eyes. if we had of kicked some very straightforward goals in the last quarter on Sat night, he would have looked like a genius.

If the Queen had balls she'd be the King.

How do you know that if we had HAVE kicked those goals, Geelong wouldn't HAVE stepped up a gear? They've seemed to do that often in the past 6 years.

Collingwood supporters talk about would OF should OF could OF - the ball was out - Rocca's shot was a goal, etc. Carlton supporters talk about what is. I want premierships. My cousin who barracks for Collingwood just said to me "look every team has slumps". I responded with "this one's lasted over 10 years! I'm over it!"

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