That's the major part of it but is harder to fix than putting a kicking routine in place.

Both need fixing.

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I remember 1.11 in the last quarter against Hawthorn at Princes Park many years ago. The solitary goal (after 11 straight points) came in time on and I think the Dominator scored it. Like last night we lost the game.

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Agree Doc and Gws
Win a couple of extra games last year make top 4
Win a couple of extra games this year might fluke it in the 8
How professional are our players if they don't put in this work
Why aren't the coaches insisting this is done
Just don't get the comfort Zone our team and management seem to be in
Did we believe our own publicity after last season because we were brave in that final against West Coast

Yes....I do recall how deliberately Peter Hudson lined up, and kicked for goal....ditto; Lockett and Dunstall.

Our players seem to casually try to guide it thru instead of kicking thru the bloody thing.

And I think those champs almost placed the ball onto their boot; and didn't drop it as such; which leads to miskicks a la Sticks Kernahan and his helicopter punt kicks.

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Geez you'd think five years was enough time to at least discover one other fwd entry strategy other than Betts in the pocket....

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The 'reason' given for not kicking for goal more at training is that players are more likely to ping a quad/hamstring because they're fatigued...

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Yep; and I wonder how many niggles are caused by the ever increasing use of ''Daicos'' type dribble goal attempts?

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Actually it was 1.14, the goal coming from Johnno after the siren from the boundary on his wrong foot. I stood right behind the goals so witnessed the crap close up.

We lost by 2pts.

Goalkicking is so important as after all the side with the biggest score wins. So if you miss alot, just on that basis alone, it hurts. Costs-5-6pts every miss, that hurts big, especially if you miss quite a few. Therefore practice is imperative. We miss way too often. Yet another game where we lost after having more scoring shots.

I'm so, so tired of bemoaning our bad field and goal kicking, jeeze I was doing it on TC last week.

Watched the match last night on tv with my son in law, he's also from a mad keen Carlton family (no mixed marriages here!), I don't know who was the more frustrated of the pair of us. Talking before the game, we agreed we'd butcher the ball, would kick to the pockets, would miss easy shots on goal and would be unable to prevent the ball coming out of our forward line effortlessly from kick ins (two grown men shouting at the tv "for god's sake man up"). Despite this we both felt the Cats were very beatable, in the end a pretty ordinary Geelong side beat us. The next few matches could be ugly, at least there was a bit more spirit this time out.

I really don't know who/what to blame. Players? Coaches? Attitude? Preparation? Lack of depth? All of mentioned? The season is as good as gone now, let's work on our weaknesses, play the kids, work out who stays who leaves (players and staff), look forward to 2013. We can give the flag a real shake next year if; yes a big if, we look to address our short comings now. I always felt next year could be our real year to challenge for the flag. If we don't, I'll lead the assault of outraged supporters carrying flaming torches on Princes (sorry Visy) Park.

Exactly. The width of the gap is a lot greater than the width of the post

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This thread reminds me of the Mark Arceri goal at Whitten Oval. That was hard on the ears listening o that game on radio.

We could be Essendon*, 1 goal 13 behinds in 2 1/2 quarters of footy at Etihad.

Doc Larkins just saying that Zaharakis tore a quad taking shots at goal from 50 at training.

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Its because midfielders run 20km that we need one stay at home big forward.
It's because our kicking is so poor that Watson should be given a shot at full forward and Thouey as the Stuart dew half forward flanker
But you would need a decent coach to try something like that

Glad the fitness gurus have such a say, maybe we should make it that you can try and out sprint an opponent to win the game after the siren, instead of kicking for goal.

Or even better, allow coaches to sub on a designated kicker for set shot goals just in case a player injures himself.

What a @#$%&! crock!

Adapt the training regime FFS, it's not as if goal kicking is going to become irrelevant.

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Amd throw in Bryce playing the forward/mid instead of the quarterback.

Give Bryce 10 possies forward of centre and you'll get at least 2goals/goal assists. But those flowering obstinant hard heads continue playing him in the back half......and yes he was great on Stevie J.....but that's a losers defensive mentatlity week after week after flowering week. You tell your players to be bold, how about you being bold Ratts.
If that goal he kicked last night is not proof that the guy can do damage forward of centre, I don't know what is!!!

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We can't really complain about inaccuracy when we take so many of our shots from the pocket.

The only semblance of a game plan and drilling that Ratts has instilled over 4 years has been to enter the forward 50 into the pockets, not the centre corridor. Now I don't agree with it, but he openly claims this is his strategy to 'lock it in' (good one ratts).

So the coach encourages F50 entry via the pockets, then complains about inaccuracy when we miss the tougher shots that result!!

Yep - that's the level of strategic thinking we're backing to bring home number 17 - I'm not holding my breath.

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We missed enough easy shots to win the game. Cant use going to the pockets as an excuse. Some of those entries to the pockets resulted in shots and some resulted the shots that were missed from easier angles.

Don't blame the coach for the misses and look for another way to let the players off the hook. People on this site are amazing the way they cant hold their heroes responsible for basic skill errors. Fair enough the buck stops with the coach but sheesh......he cant kick it for them. That is a shame too as he is probably still a better kick than all of them.

There were some seriously bad misses by Carlton players in last nights game. Rewatch it !!