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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:15 am 
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One of the basics of the game is smothering the ball yet too many of our players shy away from it. As a perfect example, Geelong smothered an Ellard kick early in the first quarter and took it away for a goal.
Too often I watched our players turn their back and throw an arm in the air as a token effort.
Piss weak!

About halfway through the second quarter, Garlett had an opportunity to smother the oncoming opponent and jibbed it. Sorry, but until we have the intent and inclination to do those things, we wont be a premiership side.
As I said before, I'm happy with the effort and endeavour as an improvement but several of our players need to be sat down in front of their peers this week, shown the game edits and told the cold hard facts.

Yes we have injuries but that doesnt mean we should accept second class efforts while we're waiting for our injured players to return.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:25 am 
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Exactly VB
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:36 am 
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We smothered a fair few ourselves last nite.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:51 am 
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QLD_Blue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
No 2 in the comp for defensive I50 tackle
No 1 in the comp for pressure acts inside 50


Only avg 3.1 tackles a game with very little scoring impact in the last few weeks...

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He is not alone though


Agreed, however, he often has stood out to me in the last few weeks as largely lacking effort and being ineffective... again not the only one but one that has stood out as the worse from my point of veiw..


Would love to see what Curnow's tackle stats are playing in losing midfield...and what about everyone's love child Thornton. How many tackles does he lay in a forward line?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:07 pm 
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Scarlett absolutely murdered Hampson last night. Crucial match up we lost.
Ideally Hendo could've taken Scarlett, Hampson gets Taylor or Lonergan. Lachie'd struggle to beat Scarlett, but he'd certainly do more than Hammer in terms of limiting his influence on the contest.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:09 pm 
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Ratten asked about depth on 3AW and mentioning names like Simon White/Davies...White in particular who according to Ratten can play anywhere. :?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:10 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
One of the basics of the game is smothering the ball yet too many of our players shy away from it. As a perfect example, Geelong smothered an Ellard kick early in the first quarter and took it away for a goal.
Too often I watched our players turn their back and throw an arm in the air as a token effort.
Piss weak!

About halfway through the second quarter, Garlett had an opportunity to smother the oncoming opponent and jibbed it. Sorry, but until we have the intent and inclination to do those things, we wont be a premiership side.
As I said before, I'm happy with the effort and endeavour as an improvement but several of our players need to be sat down in front of their peers this week, shown the game edits and told the cold hard facts.

Yes we have injuries but that doesnt mean we should accept second class efforts while we're waiting for our injured players to return.


I said this earlier in the year! I agree entirely! Another Carlton alternative, is going the bump which in most cases just knocks the ball carrier over after they've kicked it. They then stand over them for a few seconds like they're tough only to realise it's gone lace-out to a moving forward. It's disgraceful. If you're concerned about your fingers, make a fist. If you're concerned about your face, play another sport.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:11 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Ratten asked about depth on 3AW and mentioning names like Simon White/Davies...White in particular who according to Ratten can play anywhere. :?


He'll probably be playing in WA next year.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:12 pm 
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Neither of them are playing anywhere this year with their neverending injuries!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:16 pm 
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I actually rate white


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:24 pm 
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Davies had capacity to improve this season too and develop more..10 week injury though...ouch.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:29 pm 
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He's been listed at 10 weeks all year!

anyway. I quite liked Duigan, Watson, Bootsma, McLean and Collins last night. Just shows that you need to stick with some blokes.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:29 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Ratten asked about depth on 3AW and mentioning names like Simon White/Davies...White in particular who according to Ratten can play anywhere. :?


That's it - sack him!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:32 pm 
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Hi all; to paraphrase SEN, "long time, no post!" BV, outstanding post about the basics :thumbsup: There was one tackle executed on a Geelong player (his pass went to Motlop in their F50) in the 2nd quarter; don't know who it was but he tackled from behind and his motion was forward which aided the player's pass. Why didn't the tackler, once he had his arms around him and he was defending his goals, turn the Geelong player around, rather than push him forward?!!!! Again BV and Keogh, it's the lack of attention to basics on a consistent basis that ultimately stifle our development as a team (yes, Synbad; and everything else!!!! :razz: )

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:34 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Ratten asked about depth on 3AW and mentioning names like Simon White/Davies...White in particular who according to Ratten can play anywhere. :?

That comment is weirdly like those heard recently on here.... :grin:

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Pafloyul wrote:
Effes wrote:
Ratten asked about depth on 3AW and mentioning names like Simon White/Davies...White in particular who according to Ratten can play anywhere. :?


That's it - sack him!


I just find it odd that when we're lacking midfield depth Ratten talks about Davies and White. The three rucks was mentioned and whether it was working...Ratten said it gives us an advantage in the air (which game was that in???).

White and Davies in particular aren't up to it anyway...Davies lack of pace, poor agility, poor disposal and poor decision making make him a liability like Joseph/Russell/Bower. Why would you mention these two??? :?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:41 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
Effes wrote:
Ratten asked about depth on 3AW and mentioning names like Simon White/Davies...White in particular who according to Ratten can play anywhere. :?


That's it - sack him!


I just find it odd that when we're lacking midfield depth Ratten talks about Davies and White. The three rucks was mentioned and whether it was working...Ratten said it gives us an advantage in the air (which game was that in???).

White and Davies in particular aren't up to it anyway...Davies lack of pace, poor agility, poor disposal and poor decision making make him a liability like Joseph/Russell/Bower. Why would you mention these two??? :?


I suppose his hands are completely tied here.

He can't say we'll there's this rookie Dale! and another one called Bell! They play midfield. Most people outside Carlton haven't heard of them, and they can't get a game yet! But yeah there's some depth there.

He also can't say, look we've [REDACTED] up royally here and haven't drafted too many mids. The one we did in Lucas hasn't come on at all, so we're scrapping the bottom of the barrell here, hence why your AJ and Curnows are getting game despite being out of confidence.

Would love either answer though. Just to see the board melt down.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:42 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Effes wrote:
Ratten asked about depth on 3AW and mentioning names like Simon White/Davies...White in particular who according to Ratten can play anywhere. :?

That comment is weirdly like those heard recently on here.... :grin:

Nick Heyne too. He could be anything.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:49 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Effes wrote:
Ratten asked about depth on 3AW and mentioning names like Simon White/Davies...White in particular who according to Ratten can play anywhere. :?

That comment is weirdly like those heard recently on here.... :grin:

Nick Heyne too. He could be anything.

:lol:

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