Good response Blues Rock

moshe and synners have got me thinking. Synners always does. He keeps the bastards honest.
Whilst I was thinking about our clubs' weaknesses, I started to see the credibility in the argument.
I'm glad they question the club.

You question the players and I'm more inclined to want to abuse those pricks on the field because they are happy to be taken off the streets, take the big bucks, pampered and revered etc but they don't want commit to putting their heads over the ball, or tackle like their life depends on it to help the club win. Soft cocks,

Off field, there must be dick heads too. There is in every club, but we have a genuine problem since Elliot days..

The speed machine they tried to create is great, but surely they had to hedge their bets too. Plan B?
If they didn't, and it seems they didn't, then they were just copying the Knights' blueprint for the Bombers all over again, and we know what was needed to fix that up in round 4 this year. Muscle in the clinches. Contested footy. Finals footy.

We are weaklings in body strength because that's the type our club has selected. And our club has done nothing to address this. Both off field issues. Then there's the Fev, McLean and many other decisions the off field leaders made which left most of us who are hungry for success gobsmacked.

We all know speed kills, but to win a flag, we need players who can play one on one, under pressure, and withstand the pressure (physical and mental) to win finals, and this mob can't.

Problem is the players and the coaches. They haven't planned a plan B. Tat's obvious. They've said it in the public domain this week that they don't even know what's going on or what to do to fix the problem...in other words, it seems like our coaching staff have surrendered?...as have some of the players. WTF is that?

Depth is a recruiting and development problem. It's our on field issue but created by those who make the decisons; off field.

What about the 3 year Waite contract at 29yo??? FMD.

I too look back to the WCE game and feel the same as you Bluerock. I look at danyboy's last post and feel he's spot on. We haven't moved forward; we've stagnated. There is no new trategy for 2012, whilst all the clubs succeeding atm have considered the 2012 strategy and most likely Plan B and C.

I want every !@#$%& person belonging to the club on field and off field to know that I, and many of us true supporters, want change at the end of the season if we don't end up top 4 and win a prelim, and I want some of those kids who are excess at the Suns but have a bit more ticker than some we have on board right now.

No one will put a ticket together to compete the current regime, until King Kerna steps aside. What's the point in working towards building a better ticket if they're going to lose, and be considered unCarlton by doing so. How do we improve anything in that type of environment. Kerna has to make way for progress. First time I'm saying that in public, but its unhealthy the way it is right now. No accountability!

You know I love Carlton and they have been fantastic to me from 1968 right up to 2000. I want to give my kids the same or similar experience, and if those twits aren't made of the same stuff of those who played and worked for this club between '64 and '95 (maybe earlier), then they should piss off and give someone else a better a go. I really want to belt some of those players who wore our jumper last week, and that's something I have never felt before, because they did not represent the true spirit of Carlton.

Well, I think you have rose coloured glasses, but FWIW, I really really REALLY hope that you're right and I'm wrong

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You could call it that but its more a refusal to simply drop the head and think we are not good enough - that is the biggest problem the players have got - thats what i think they think we think they think about what they think

seriously tho - when for mine the players are being negative flogs driven from a lesson from the bombers and a few injuries then it helps little if we just think the same ; let them off the hook ; start restructuring the club......thats crazy imo

Nothing has changed except a few injuries and the fact that we have been worked out. Its the players that are getting flogged by other players....When are they going to font up and say Hang On, No Mate , Eat this and Get the job done.....They will want to Blame anyone except themselves including Ratten & Co to hide the fact that they are just not going in as hard as the blokes opposing them......Its time they full on had a crack because its just pathetic...I dont blame anyone for that except the players.......Nothing else has changed except how other players are taking them on.....They are doing nothing but bending over and copping 2 hours worth of vaseline-free pain .....Its they that need to say enough is enough and just go whack.....I dont for a second beleive that they cant..... they have before and can again......now Im just as frustrated as everyone else....bugger......restructure the club and give the team icecreams for being so patient while we get hierarchy sorted so they can then TRY to WIN......I have no answers either.......

I am with you BluesRock. The players need to stand up. Letting them off the hook and blaming every one else but them would is a soft option.

Blaming everyone else from Prez to coach to bootstudder at this stage is lazy and dull thinking.

Right now I reckon it would be pretty hard for anyone to argue that that was a good idea.

I am with you BluesRock. The players need to stand up. Letting them off the hook and blaming every one else but them would is a soft option.

Blaming everyone else from Prez to coach to bootstudder at this stage is lazy and dull thinking.

Any doubters still?