I remember Australian Infrustucture Fund, do you?

Prior to his post above I had actually read some of Mr Scarponi's stuff and considered them reasonable arguments - even if I didn't agree. But now he's on my Surrey list. People whose argument should never be taken seriously. Anyone who seriously argues that we should have built a 40,000 seater stadium, probably built out of twigs and pixie dust considering the financial state we were in, should have no consideration of any other argument they make on any subject.

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

Rubbish - we would have fattened up the books if we moved to MCG instead of Telstra Dome.

WE DON'T CONTROL THE FIXTURE.

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

How much money have we missed out on because of the current arrangement?

Not sure,breakeven at telstra dome/etihad is 33k and MCG is 25k..over the years we missed that 33k countless times.

What was the crowd in our home game v Melbourne at MCG compared to home game v GWS at ES.
Keeping in mind GWS had 18 fans v probably 10k for Melbourne

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Mate, you're working your way around the site throwing hand grenades and then walking away.
Your post was about developing Princes Park, not the MCG.

How were we going to turn Princes Park into a 40k stadium when we were broke? How were we going to put in an underground carpark when the council had canned it and we didn't have 50 cents to pay a parking meter.
Try answering some questions and justifying some of your wild statements instead of going off on tangents and changing the subject.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

And you want synbad to answer questions or give solutions and the best you can come up with is "not sure".

How much did we get up front to go to Telstra Dome?

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"Truth, for the tyrants, is the most terrible and cruel of all bindings; it is like an incandescent iron falling across their chests. And it is even more agonizing than hot iron, for that only burns the flesh, while truth burns its way into the soul"     — Lauro Aguirre

Conveniently ignoring the fact that the Council had knocked any such plans on the head and that you actually need money to build shit like that.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

we received over $5 million in govt & AFL grants over the course of three or so years. AFL gave us a piddly $3 million carrot to leave Optus at the time & the $2 million loan the AFL that gave us and was signed in 2006 Fitzy was an independant advisor..that gleefully moved us to TD to appease his AIX shareholders. AAMI park in Melbourne was a govt funded stadium , state of the art costed $200 MLN from scratch. We could have easily gone into partnerships; plentiful of infrastructure companies around the globe that would have been interested, govt grants, investors inclusive..providing the idea & plan was there. Unlikely it can still be done today, Geelong is spending a small packet to upgrade their stadium. We would have been in debt today but a very large asset on the books.. unlikely there would have been an AAMI stadium today if there were multi-year joint tenenacy agreements with Storm and later Rebels.. too late now. Going back to the govt and AFL grants that would have easily covered interest payments providing it was in a partnership agreement.. i.e Bosch Stadium etc...

If we moved towards the parks

It's a good week to have a foe list..

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

You really are that emotional? Shame.

I'll bite.

Your arguments are consistently baseless. As BV put it - "wild accusations", an argument doth not make. Whenever you lose the argument you resort to accusing people of getting personal/abusive.

I originally thought you were an opposition troll, such was the banal shit coming off your keyboard. Your persistence with it still makes me think "troll".

Please just go away.

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Nice choice of words - but happy to give you the time of day if you say where and what and how,, otherwise the joke is on you, troll.

Partnerships?
Who would go into partnership with an entity that is on its knees.
We were millions of dollars in debt. We couldn't pay our bills on a week to week basis so we were technically insolvent.
You're totally ignoring our financial predicament and waffling on about AAMI stadium and Geelong. Totally irrelevant.

Should we have pushed harder to gain an MCG option? Possibly but to suggest Princes Park could have been developed as a 40k stadium with an underground carpark displays a total ignorance of the issues that existed.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

We were $6 mln in debt. Pretty much the same level we see today. Of course funds could have been raised but not with Smorgon on board - Demetriou & Fitzy pushing hard to move to TD..revenue from ordinary activities was ~$20 MLN. SO it could have been serviced quite efficiently if we stayed at OO. Likely revenue figures would have been healthier as 25% of matches played at TD were net losers whereas at OO would have been proftable. It wasn't pretty, but blown out of proportion by the AFL - $6MLN debt for a footy club that had at the time 30-32k members isn't much.