West Ciast are in dire need of changes too - they lost to Brisbane.

On paper last night our team looked rubbish. There was no reason to feel that it would beat Ports team. It was a terrible looking team and then on top of that the good names on the team sheet all played seriously bad games. So the ten goal loss is the result.

The fact that our team did look so bad even with the big 8 outs is the reason most are upset. Ratts has put his faith in the wrong bottom end players and some flaky top end players and that is his downfall. No plans or gameplans would work with last nights 22. Icke should be held responsible. List management has not been good. I am glad Icke is gone and can see why he was sacked. Hope Mckay can put things right.

I think it was obvious the team played without structure and that was due to personel.

I've been quiet for so long, but gee. Are you for real? And seriously? Did you pick Port to win by 50 points?

No but there was no reason to suggest we would win with that line up. It was rubbish. Had someone told me Jamo, Walker, Gibbs, Bower and Hampson were going to play such sh1t games i would have thought it was possible that we would get beaten well. The fall away at the end was a shock and very disapointing. Although with these flaky players we should never be shocked.

You're expecting VFL players to execute AFL plans, good luck getting players from English League 1 to perform in the Premier League.

The fact that our team did look so bad even with the big 8 outs is the reason most are upset. Ratts has put his faith in the wrong bottom end players and some flaky top end players and that is his downfall. No plans or gameplans would work with last nights 22. Icke should be held responsible. List management has not been good. I am glad Icke is gone and can see why he was sacked. Hope Mckay can put things right.

Lets not forget that this is an injury toll that is unlike anything ive seen at Carlton in 36 years - yes we get injuries, but to 2 first choice KPP (waitem, henderson), a first choice ruck (kreuzer), 2 first choice mids (murphy, carazzo) and 3 first choice defenders (henderson, duigan and laidler) - AND their backups (thornton, white, davies) is unheard of. hell the club would have expected Rowe to play this year, and Im expecting people to blame ratten for him getting cancer ffs.

Then remember that the offseason would have been spent following on from the successful gameplan that took us to the finals last year, you can see it in the players bodies, its all about run and not muscle. You can see it in the way we've generally run out matches (see GWS and Melbourne) even when we've had bad games. What we werent prepared for was the Essendon* gameplan which EVERYONE then adopted. You cant change body mass and development over night, particularly when most of your bigger bodied players are injured.

Theres nothing wrong with coming out and saying we were going to be top 4. At the time we had the personnel and were in reasonable form. Resting players makes sense according to EVERY commentator. And then the injuries set in. And with the ins being guys like Watson and Bootsma, and whole bunch of little midfielder, running types to replace half a dozen big bodies of course we're going to suffer.

Ratten is responsible for the team, but God himself couldnt help the injury toll that will have stuffed the season for the first half. Now the good news is these guys are all going to come back for the second half of the year. You can judge Ratts now all you like, there are some concerns sure, but its not head hunting time yet.