Seriously now as well as Brock played he can not be a factor in September...... Another list clogger who is taking games away from a kid who might really add something. I would rather have played Buckley or dale or another young midfielder with potential. Be interesting to note our win loss ratio when we play McLean. I suspect it isn't too flash

That's either point missed or exactly right, depending on how you look at it.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

I'm actually a bit nervous about the bye myself...I'll how we play against WC first

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

I will bet judds shoulder has effected him all year

Forget Darling, would have only stayed for 2 years and then requested trade back to WA.

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Ratten does not believe in his players. His players don't believe in the gameplan. Organisational goal incongruence 101. Organisations fail, stagnate but never improve.

BTW. Why is he back in the box if he thought it was such a good idea to be at ground level?

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Both teams were healthy???? Are you living on Mars????
Go back and see who they had out? They also lost Reid I think guring the game????

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he does try a lot of one arm tackles come to think of it

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

First time I've had the pleasure of seeing us live this year. My days of sugar-coating are long gone.

Where do you start? Think most of it has been covered.

No point saying we didn't handle the conditions Ratts. We were [REDACTED] when it was dry, we were [REDACTED] when it was wet. We fell away at the end?? This thing was shot about half way through the second.

Second to the ball at every contest, and even then we couldn't get a tackle to stick, so the ball would just get fumbled out to the next contest, in which again Port were again first to the ball, tackle didn't stick...etc. On the odd chance we got first touch, we'd either handball to someone under pressure, or at a team mates shoelaces.

Forward line structure and ball movement a shambles. One contest at our end saw Betts go up with Warnock and Hammer waiting for the crumb. All it needed was the Benny Hill theme.

Defensive spoiling is non-exsistant. So many times we fail to even half a contest, bring the ball to ground, or smash in through the behinds. As mentioned the 3rd man up policy has been lost ever since Laidler has been missing. There are no roles at Carlton. Jeremy Laidler plays the Jeremy Laidler role, Eddie Betts plays the Eddie Betts role. Andrew Carrazzo plays the Andrew Carrazzo role etc. Our game plan is reliant on all our top plays being allowed to play at their absolute best.

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Talking about clearances…

Within Rats latest missive to the members was the phrase “affords a greater tactical give” what the f&&k does this mean? I think it sums up his coaching/management. He does not and cannot make sense. He is a fraud.

He seems impervious to where we are being killed. He drops defenders and forwards but cannot see it’s the middle that needs to change. For example Ellard may well have had a heap of possessions tonight but most of them are gained second-hand coupled with panicked disposal that does not translate to a clearance.

We have been murdered at the stoppages for five weeks! Ellard and Curnow are both slow and frail. They both are good at getting secondary ball but are poor at creating their own opportunities and very poor at meaningful disposals. Both seem reluctant to block for their teammates and cannot lay meaningful unassisted tackles.

Also both Ellard and Curnow can play only one position – on-ball. We are being killed at the clearances and yet who gets dropped – anyone but Ellard and Curnow!!

Who gets promoted – Mclean! Who is actually unbelievably slower than Ellard and Curnow! He also can only play one position – on-ball.

We may have lost Murphy and Carrots but on-ball there are still the likes of Juddy, Walks, Gibbs, Robbo, Simmo, Army and even Touhy, Betts and Garlett or even RR the Kruez(when fit) – all these players offer so much more than the dawdling Mclean and the dawdling & feeble Ellard & Curnow!!

The coach needs to take responsibility. He needs to acknowledge where we are being beaten and take action. There are lots of on-ball options and every-one of them “affords a greater tactical give” than Ellard, Curnow and McLean – where do you hide them when losing – they only play one position - you can’t sub all three out…

bring back elliot now

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

Haven't heard tonight's presser, but is the coach ever asked, "As coach, what could YOU have done better?"

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Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

Here's a random stat for you Ratts: Hartlett kicked 3 goals from outside 50 tonight. We've collectively kicked 3 from outside 50 for the season!

Agree with much of the comments made here tonight - especially when feeling like this. Now I know why they call it feeling blue.

Unfortunately, I hold no confidence that the 'We are the new Richmond" comment is not true. I can't see us making the truly hard decisions or really looking at what we need to be a success. Reviews make people uncomfortable as lacklustre performance get found out.

I can see that we will just keep trotting out excuses, and even more worryingly, we will actually as a club believe them. Can't make positive change based on excuses. Reflection has to be based on honest appraisal.

Was excited for this year. Now it is becoming the Annus horribilis. I almost feel sick it hurts so much.

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I would like to thank Collingwood for helping me keep faith in my old man. He always told me that 'People are thick'.

And to think we were predicting top 4!!! HAHAHAHAHA

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This is directly a coaching issue, as I've posted before.

Our list is not the issue. Plenty of our players have demonstrated a capacity to perform well in the past, but have now fallen away in performance.

Port Adelaide should be able to win an occasional game against low ranked teams, and maybe an upset a la Melbourne tonight, but to thrash a team with the quality of personnel as we possess is absurd.

Ratten is not an AFL coach.

Essendon* had the guts to make the change, now it's our turn.

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"The old believe everything, the middle-aged suspect everything, and the young know everything." Oscar Wilde

In line with the trend of teams who beat Carlton failing the following round Port will lose next week and look like the spuds they are.

Injuries may be an excuse for a 9 goal loss to a top team. But not for a 9 goal loss to a cellar dweller.

I'm surprised at how little I cared about the result tonight though.

Time for a massive broom to go through Visy Park. Coaches, players, support staff - whatever it is we're doing, it's not working.

I don't want to offend too many of my fellow blues supporters but we have been deluding ourselves. We have been relying on individual brilliance for too long now. It was obvious a long time ago. Let's face it our game plan and coaching tactics have been ordinary since Ratten commenced his tenure.

If it wasn't for players like Judd and Murphy, we would not have made the finals in the last three years. They have not been injured. These days you need a squad to win a premiership. Injuries have hurt us badly this year but demonstrates we have no depth at the bottom end of our list. We don't have a squad. This was always going to bite.

You also need quality game strategies to deal with the modern game. When we play on our terms we can look good. Other teams are not stupid. Our coaching staff have been challenged and have not come up with the answers. This is no surprise.

I'll be honest and say that I had no interest in tonight's game. That is bad as I should have. I love this club but the thought of our premiership window disappearing before our eyes is hard to take. I need to be stronger than that but the Pagan years have had a detrimental effect.

So what do we do? Continue down the same path or make significant changes for the longer term good. I don't know.

Could hardly believe they scored a behind when there were 4 seconds to go at the last boundary throw-in.

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

Before the season is out and preferably this week. Having someone teach even the fill in players a game plan/structure would be nice.

Mick Malthouse anyone?

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