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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:58 pm 
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Premiership favourites dont have 8 of their starting 18 out though... we have serious structural issues.


Really, the Pies have Reid, Tarrant, Brown, Krakour, Keefe, Mccaffer all out and West Coast have LeCraer, Kennedy, Embley out to just name a few but they still win because they have coaches who's game plan revolves around structure...

Ratts does not know how to structure a game plan....


You forgot Luke Ball.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:58 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:59 pm 
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After the bye we should have Carrazzo, Laidler, Henderson, Waite, Duigan, Kreuzer in tonights team - will make a huge structural difference - doesnt excuse todays effort and one positive is coaching staff know more about the list than one month ago


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:59 pm 
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Where do you start?

Of course injuries play there part but look at how many other top clubs have a huge injury list. West Coast and Collingwood. We’ve been in the draft long enough that we should have developed sufficient depth to cope with injuries but obviously we haven’t. Our ‘depth’ players are woefully deficient it’s amazing they ever got contract extensions in the first place (eg Aaron Joseph)

When teams congest stoppages we fall to pieces. Teams have done it again and again and again and most of the time been successful. Our coaching staff have built a game plan based on dominating the clearances and overwhelming the opposition with quick ball movement/loads of inside fifties. Now most of the time when the clearances turn into an arm wrestle we have nothing else going for us.

Our scoring is reliant on quick movement inside 50 and loads of inside 50s. The season to date has further demonstrated how when the opposition force us to move the ball from defence to attack slowly we have no system. There is no system to move the ball inside 50 when we don’t win centre clearances and get it in there quickly – or don’t win the ball back via turnovers. If the quick clearance or turnover doesn’t happen we’re generally [REDACTED]. What sort of system/plan is that? Surely you develop a system for when you are forced to move the ball slowly inside 50. It has been apparent for some time now that this coaching panel are unable to develop such a system.

I took notes throughout the game and focussed on the number of times we kicked it to a two on one situation or just kicking it straight to their spare man in defence (Chaplin most of the time but occasionally Trengove). On about 12 or 13 occasions kicking inside 50 we kicked it to a two on one situation or just one Port player on their own. When we did have a one there it was often the smallest player on the ground (Betts).

This gets back to the spare in defence – how the opposition use theirs and how we use ours. Normally we have Laidler spare in defence and most of the time he plays this role very effectively. With Laidler there Gibbs will take a smallish forward (Blair type). With Laidler injured we try to free Gibbs up or still have him on the ‘worst’ opposition forward. He tries to play loose but keeps getting manned up. Gibbs gets manned up and we still have a loose man in defence – this is where the problems start. A lot of the time our loose man is someone who doesn’t have the ability to play that role – they may read the play well but in the air they aren’t tall enough/strong enough to have an impact. Look at the filth – if Reid is loose (often) he will chop off opposition entries. Look at the scum – if Fletcher is loose he’ll mark and mark and mark. Who is our player who can play that loose role? Tonight it looked like Bootsma at times got the job…great impact he will have as a loose man. Or it will be Bower (poor in the air, poor kick).

The opposition setup with Chaplin loose (good reader of the play) or Trengove…both can actually have an impact on the opposition entries.

Why did the coaching staff persist with our loose being someone who can’t play that role whilst allowing the opposition to have someone loose who will impact the contest? It took almost a half for Gibbs to be moved forward to match their loose up. Our players just struggle so much when the opposition have a spare in defence and it’s an indictment on the people responsible for drafting/developing/coaching these players. Just no system to move the ball inside 50.

Only thing I could take out of this game is Bootsma/Watson getting some game time and showing the occasional good sign – then you look at the VFL and see how Kane Lucas has ‘progressed’ since he was drafted and wonder what the @#$%&! is going on at this club!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:59 pm 
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feels like we are back in 2002-2007, that was soul destroying!

we deserve better

we demand better

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:59 pm 
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Watson was ok just shows how meaningless bullants form is. Seriously you would play Buckley after tonight because he doesn't mind a contest and Watson should have started forward instead of bower. Yarran short of a run. Lucas should have played. No future in Joseph bower McLean Collins and sadly Gibbs. 5 to 10 years away so rebuild


Don't agree on the 5-10 years. We have a solid core, just need the attitude and structures to utilize them.

The fact Dale missed a game of football this weekend is amazing.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:01 pm 
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The sad part about the coaching staff is that they have been out coached by at least 4 other coaches who have had there coaching rolls for only 1 to 2 seasons .They have bettor game plans , more then 1 game plan and there players play for them so if ratts and his staff have not got that after 5 seasons surley it has to be time where the cfc need to make changes.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:02 pm 
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Italian Blue wrote:
j.scarponi wrote:
Premiership favourites dont have 8 of their starting 18 out though... we have serious structural issues.


Really, the Pies have Reid, Tarrant, Brown, Krakour, Keefe, Mccaffer all out and West Coast have LeCraer, Kennedy, Embley out to just name a few but they still win because they have coaches who's game plan revolves around structure...

Ratts does not know how to structure a game plan....


hate to rub it in but you can add Swan, Ball and Johnson to that. 6 premiership players, 3 all australians


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:02 pm 
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I went out for dinner at the best North-Indian food restaurant with friends instead of watching because I had a very strong gut feel what would happen. Easily loose the next three and good chance not to make the 8. - Richmond and Saints are better then us atm. Time for the club to take stock.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:03 pm 
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Come on guys step it up, the Bomberblitz spewfest is already up to 15 pages, we're only at 6!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:04 pm 
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Never thought I'd say this but even Judd looked disinterested tonight. On a perfect night for Brock he proved, yet again, that we made a mistake.


21 disposals (7th highest poss winner on the ground) 6 tackles and a goal - far from our worst player - actually one of our best.

Just like Judd, he struggled for an impact due to our pathetic setup at the stoppages and the congestion the Port created (just like every other team for the past 6 weeks). Nothing like taking a dig at the easiest target in the team is there?

I just don't know why we don't try to smash the ball forward out of the ruck? Sure, it may create more contests, but at the moment we need as many 50/50's as we can get. Currently we are losing 100% of the clearances, so it can't hurt surely?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:04 pm 
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What was said in the post game presser? Same shit?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:04 pm 
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Seriously pissweak effort by players and coaching staff.

Seriously this season is over.

FMD I hate these pretenders right now.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:05 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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How can we have a bloke like Rohan Kerr on our list for 2.5 years, Rhys O'Keefe for 3.5 years and have nothing to show for it. Collingwood have already had six debutants this season with the prospect of more.

THIS!!


THIS


It has been happening for a while. Remember all the cries about not giving a stuff about 'rising star' awards. It's not even an issue this year. :oops:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:05 pm 
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jim wrote:
Come on guys step it up, the Bomberblitz spewfest is already up to 15 pages, we're only at 6!



That's because we're all adding our 2 cents worth to Bomberblitz :smoking:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:07 pm 
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Re Watson (and Bootsma)

So doing OK means spectating when having to spoil and clear the danger zone, having the turning circle of the Titanic. Both do not tackle at an AFL standard. Watch the tape and see how many of their tackles got broken.

I am sure they will come good - but as things stand here and now, they are not up to it.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:07 pm 
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j.scarponi wrote:
After the bye we should have Carrazzo, Laidler, Henderson, Waite, Duigan, Kreuzer in tonights team - will make a huge structural difference - doesnt excuse todays effort and one positive is coaching staff know more about the list than one month ago

These players were playing when we first turned to shit...

Problem is not personnel... it's structures and game plan

When players don't trust what they're supposed to be doing... it turns to shit

Other teams have managed to turn duds into superstars because they trust their game plan

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:08 pm 
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Outback Blue wrote:
Our next four games,

Geelong
West Coast
Bye
Hawthorn

I can see us being 6 wins -7 loses and right out of touch with the top 8

It feels like 2002 all over again !!!!

No more !@#$%& excuses, its time for action !!!!



I'd say 5 wins/8 losses..... Play pies after those you've listed and can't see us winning any. Play Watson, boots & Lucas from here out. Play Buckley, okeeffe & Mitchell for last 6. Prepare for 2013. Let bower, Russell, Joseph, McLean, Curnow, Collins, Davies, white, hampson & Kerr spend hopefully their final games in the vfl.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:08 pm 
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Italian Blue wrote:
j.scarponi wrote:
Premiership favourites dont have 8 of their starting 18 out though... we have serious structural issues.


Really, the Pies have Reid, Tarrant, Brown, Krakour, Keefe, Mccaffer all out and West Coast have LeCraer, Kennedy, Embley out to just name a few but they still win because they have coaches who's game plan revolves around structure...

Ratts does not know how to structure a game plan....


Problem we have is all our "depth" is out injured too. We simply can't replace anyone.

Easy games for those that are left.

Reckon Ratten can, 3 games doesn't change that. When your team is miserably out of form, no game plan works.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:08 pm 
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Coach is half the issue. We don't have the list. We need to rebuild the midfield because judd Simpson and carazzo will be retired or on the fringe in 3 years. Scotland and Waite retired. 8 others who played tonight who are not good enough to play in a top 4 side. Gibbs, bower, curnow, McLean, Joseph, ellard, garlett, Collins. Kreuzer may never be the player he could have been due to injury


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