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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:08 pm 
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I would welcome 2 Armfields let alone the one we;ve got.

He's got a great capacity to compete and be physical.
Must be his rugby background. Don't know how anyone misses his commitment to the hard tackle and the hard ball.
I'm sure supporters have seen the benefit of his pace in every game he's played this year.

Kerr, Buckley and Lucas aren't in the same league as Armfield...Lucas should be...but he lacks natural aggressive insticts.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:33 pm 
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Bagging a 2nd year KPD with 3 games of experience is ridiculous.

Yeah, can't argue this... not the kid's fault he's not ready to play first team football.

He'll no doubt join the likes of Lucas & Collins et al on the in/out merry-go-round.

My problem with such selections is that they're confidence sapping... it's a pet hate of mine tbh. Once selected I'd like to see players get 2-3 weeks to prove themselves.

In a week where Ratten has admitted MC fault in dropping McLean after one game, they've gone and done it again.

Good luck to Watson... I like to see him get a go in the forward 50.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:52 pm 
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Hornet wrote:

In a week where Ratten has admitted MC fault in dropping McLean after one game, they've gone and done it again.



Two completely different situations.

Hanging Lucas out to dry in the form he is in right now would do more damage than good. If anything he shouldnt have been selected last week. Not even as sub but with the injuries and no VFL it was probably all we could do once Yaz pulled out and it worked out ok for the team.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:03 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
I would welcome 2 Armfields let alone the one we;ve got.

He's got a great capacity to compete and be physical.
Must be his rugby background. Don't know how anyone misses his commitment to the hard tackle and the hard ball.
I'm sure supporters have seen the benefit of his pace in every game he's played this year.

Kerr, Buckley and Lucas aren't in the same league as Armfield...Lucas should be...but he lacks natural aggressive insticts.

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Here, here, Bondi, this guy is nowhere near being dropped at the moment. Amazes me the amount of criticism he cops.

If only we could convert him into an inside mid :sad:


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:22 pm 
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blues8182 wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
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IMO Armfield, Curnow and AJ very lucky. They are lucky Ratten is gutless! :banghead:


My goodness this is getting old. Every week you come on here and bemoan our selections, and tell us Ratts doesn't know what he's doing, should be picking this guy, don't know how this guy gets a game, put Waite on the wing.

You might have a very general idea of the role the players have, but like the rest of us, and this certainly includes me, you wouldn't know how the players are being judged by the MC. A guy like BV who has a better understanding than most of how the modern game is played has made mention of how he understands Curnow's role many times.

How is Ratten gutless because you can't figure it out?

I'm going to give you the benefit of attending training...but why do you think you know our team better from your 10 hours a week as opposed to the 60-70+ hrs (and I'm probably under estimating this) Ratts is watching games, talking to the players, his assistants, medical staff, and everything else involved with being the senior coach.

Perhaps you don't know what you're talking about :donk:


:clap: Well said Brad, it seems the MC can't win no matter what they do, Ratts continually gets bashed over the head by posters, I think it is time that some people realized that we are in a bit of a difficult situation with injuries and form and accepted that the MC is trying to address the problem, we also need to understand that we don't know as much as those in the inner sanctum and if some of the guys on this forum were so talented in team selection they would be on the MC of an AFL club and not banging away here.


How do you know what I know or what knowledge I have?

Why does spending more time necessarily mean better results or understanding. I know in a lot of cases coaches actually get to close to the players and as such do not make reasonable assessments.

In the end it doesn't matter as it is an opinion. You may be happy with the standard of our football club and what it is producing but Im not and simply I am entitled to my opinion and unlike some people I try and back up my opinion with reasoning.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:42 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
blues8182 wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:

My goodness this is getting old. Every week you come on here and bemoan our selections, and tell us Ratts doesn't know what he's doing, should be picking this guy, don't know how this guy gets a game, put Waite on the wing.

You might have a very general idea of the role the players have, but like the rest of us, and this certainly includes me, you wouldn't know how the players are being judged by the MC. A guy like BV who has a better understanding than most of how the modern game is played has made mention of how he understands Curnow's role many times.

How is Ratten gutless because you can't figure it out?

I'm going to give you the benefit of attending training...but why do you think you know our team better from your 10 hours a week as opposed to the 60-70+ hrs (and I'm probably under estimating this) Ratts is watching games, talking to the players, his assistants, medical staff, and everything else involved with being the senior coach.

Perhaps you don't know what you're talking about :donk:


:clap: Well said Brad, it seems the MC can't win no matter what they do, Ratts continually gets bashed over the head by posters, I think it is time that some people realized that we are in a bit of a difficult situation with injuries and form and accepted that the MC is trying to address the problem, we also need to understand that we don't know as much as those in the inner sanctum and if some of the guys on this forum were so talented in team selection they would be on the MC of an AFL club and not banging away here.


How do you know what I know or what knowledge I have?

Why does spending more time necessarily mean better results or understanding. I know in a lot of cases coaches actually get to close to the players and as such do not make reasonable assessments.

In the end it doesn't matter as it is an opinion. You may be happy with the standard of our football club and what it is producing but Im not and simply I am entitled to my opinion and unlike some people I try and back up my opinion with reasoning.


Yep thats true, anyone can have an opinionbut you don't have to know anything either to have one.

For mine I'll take the opinion of Ratts and the MC any day over yours. No disrespect but yours cannot be as informed as theirs

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:48 pm 
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@bazbaz

I agree with that!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:52 pm 
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Hate to sound pessimistic, but this game has "upset" written all over it IMO. An out of form, undermanned team going interstate to play against an improved and in-form side. To think that Port are more than $3 to win is staggering.

Hope I'm wrong, but a loss here would not surprise me at all.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:19 pm 
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Corporate golf day on Sunday so I won't be able to listen or watch it. Looking for a good result and that is just the golf.....

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:25 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
I know in a lot of cases coaches actually get to close to the players and as such do not make reasonable assessments.
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Interesting attribution to make for an experienced psychologist :wink: :idea:


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:29 pm 
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Taff wrote:
Corporate golf day on Sunday so I won't be able to listen or watch it. Looking for a good result and that is just the golf.....


If it helps any we're playing Saturday Night.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:34 pm 
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jim wrote:
Taff wrote:
Corporate golf day on Sunday so I won't be able to listen or watch it. Looking for a good result and that is just the golf.....


If it helps any we're playing Saturday Night.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

PS I think it's a game that Judd, Gibbs, Kruez and Simmo will star.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:36 pm 
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Blues2005 wrote:
Hate to sound pessimistic, but this game has "upset" written all over it IMO. An out of form, undermanned team going interstate to play against an improved and in-form side. To think that Port are more than $3 to win is staggering.

Hope I'm wrong, but a loss here would not surprise me at all.


Would it really be much of an upset?

Forget the bookies, I doubt port adelaide ever attracts a lot of money. But would any footy follower really be tipping carlton with any confidence right now? I doubt it.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:45 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
Blues2005 wrote:
Hate to sound pessimistic, but this game has "upset" written all over it IMO. An out of form, undermanned team going interstate to play against an improved and in-form side. To think that Port are more than $3 to win is staggering.

Hope I'm wrong, but a loss here would not surprise me at all.


Would it really be much of an upset?

Forget the bookies, I doubt port adelaide ever attracts a lot of money. But would any footy follower really be tipping carlton with any confidence right now? I doubt it.


I don't think it would be, for the reasons I mentioned in my original post.

But, given ladder positions, expectations and recent history, Carlton losing to Port Adelaide would still be greeted with a level of surprise by the football public and media and probably wrist-slashing on this and other Carlton forums.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:45 pm 
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Guys. Don't stress.
We have Matthew Kruezer. Aka Port Killer


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:39 pm 
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Hammertime22 wrote:
Guys. Don't stress.
We have Matthew Kruezer. Aka Port Killer

May not play struggling with his knee and has been for a few weeks.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:51 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
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Lucas and Collins are listed as being omitted. Why bring these guys in for one week? Collins I guess they may be playing safe, but really...


Yarran in for Lucas is a no-brainer.

Collins out for Watto is the interesting one, but clearly this is a structural decision.


Is it me or does Ratten every week seem to pick a side to combat the opposition more than back ourselves? I swear we tag more than any side in the AFL.



Agreed. He has no faith in his game plan. Neither do the players. He is destroying Lucas. Appears to pick and choose who he gives extended games to. Curnow should have been dropped weeks ago but he must need him for a TAGGING ROLE Same with Joseph. Bower provides little but stays in the side. Thornton.....enough said. Whilst I don't mind throwing Watson in, did his VFL form warrant it? Selections must be based on the tattslotto system, random events

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:07 pm 
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jim wrote:
Taff wrote:
Corporate golf day on Sunday so I won't be able to listen or watch it. Looking for a good result and that is just the golf.....


If it helps any we're playing Saturday Night.


That's ok then. May have to endure the call :yikes:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:07 pm 
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Agreed. He has no faith in his game plan. Neither do the players. He is destroying Lucas. Appears to pick and choose who he gives extended games to. Curnow should have been dropped weeks ago but he must need him for a TAGGING ROLE Same with Joseph. Bower provides little but stays in the side. Thornton.....enough said. Whilst I don't mind throwing Watson in, did his VFL form warrant it? Selections must be based on the tattslotto system, random events

Are you seriously bagging Bower? :screwy:

Curnow isn't just a tagger/run with like Armfield.

Lucas is out like Henderson was last year, so lets knife the coach.

:roll:

Lets get that star Dale in. :donk:

No one needs a big defender with Henderson out...


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:25 pm 
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We are going to win domfortably in the end.

We haven't been beaten by a bottom 4 team for years; we're past that.

We've lost to good teams who got us with our pants down.
Bumbers Aints and Crows....good teams and got us when they were in form and we weren't.

Really we should win this by 10 goals ,,,if we are in reasonable form.
I think we rae now we have addressed the intesnsity issue between the ears.

Top 4 we're knockin down the door.

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