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j.scarponi
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 5:10 pm 
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Saved about 5 goals on the weekend with big tackles.. wasn't as positive as you would like as he was rebounding & attacking, but that will come..his defensive game was top notch.
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teknodeejay
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Kouta wrote:
Greg Baum's a top writer.

Anyhoo, let the Gibbs bashing continue.


It's not bashing if you can back it up with facts.

Did you know Gibbs got most of his stats in "junk time" of yesterday's game? In fact, his junk time stats equated for just about half of his productivity in the entire game.

It is getting toward ski season...

In saying that, yesterday was better than the previous 3 weeks, so maybe it's going to wane, which will be good news.
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BigGartos
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:35 pm 
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"The 3 rucks experiment failed miserably..."
Someone may have responded to this in the last 3 pages but...
Tim Watson was banging on about this in the first half as well: who else could we have picked? It wasn't so much a 3 ruckman experiment as a desperate attempt to have something tall to kick to in the forward line!
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AGRO
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:38 pm 
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BigGartos wrote:
"The 3 rucks experiment failed miserably..."
Someone may have responded to this in the last 3 pages but...
Tim Watson was banging on about this in the first half as well: who else could we have picked? It wasn't so much a 3 ruckman experiment as a desperate attempt to have something tall to kick to in the forward line!



Should be in the "shit and under researched commentators" thread. :wink:

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SurreyBlue
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:43 pm 
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BigGartos wrote:
"The 3 rucks experiment failed miserably..."
Someone may have responded to this in the last 3 pages but...
Tim Watson was banging on about this in the first half as well.


Rubbish. It worked and can work. If anyone didn't see that on Sunday then they have no idea.


Last edited by SurreyBlue on Mon May 28, 2012 11:11 pm, edited 3 times in total.

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Blue Tongue
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:49 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
cant say i can understand two criticisms on this forum

3 rucks did not work; and

Gibbs is a pea heart-did not play well etc.

Rucks

Warnock was terrific in his comeback game - first hands. Can only improve.

Hampson marked 7 or 8 within 60 metres of goals and could have easily kicked 4 or 5. If Waite is out, he is a better bet than Thornton as No. 1 fwd.

Kruze has 20 possies, kicked a goal, no clangers and had 4 score assists (that's the possession before ths score). Agree his marking is a little off.


Gibbs

Did not get beaten in a one on one contest all day. Won the conrtest or drew a 50/50 every time. I think if you look at the replay he was in plenty of them too. Never loses his feet, brilliant under pressure. In my votes.


:thumbsup: great to see some big men around the ground, please keep playing them.
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BigGartos
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:56 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Collins was much the same. He got a few kicks and ran around a bit but it wasn't enough to keep him in the team if anybody else is fit (which they aren't). I think he will miss games because of the knee but he isn't going to get a regular gig based just on last night's effort. He is skinny to boot and by now should have more on his frame.

If you look at footage of Collin's last game for Tiges compared to this season he has filled out heaps...face still looks 15 yo tho...
He was getting the pace of the game the longer it went and, while he didn't always use ball well, he is pretty intelligent about what he tries to do with it (have watched him a bit in pre-season and at Northern).
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BigGartos
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:59 pm 
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cortez wrote:
I read The Age report on the game this morning. I was quite pleased with Ellard's game and was surprised he didn't rate a mention amongst our best (seven listed).

I was even more surprised to see Gibbs mentioned as our second best, behind only Robbo and scored seven votes in The Age Footballer of the Year award. I wouldn't have put Bryce among our best, let alone given him 7/10 behind only Robbo's 8/10.

Now, I know you can't make too much of statistics, there's so many variables, but I thought the comparison between Ellard and Gibbs made for interesting reading.

Ellard: 29 possessions; 10 contested: 2 critical errors: 2 scoring assists: 85% game time.
Gibbs: 25 possessions; 1 contested: 3 critical errors: 1 scoring assist: 95% game time.

I felt Bryce played a servicable game, obviously not everyone is a Gibbs critic.

THIS.
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grrofunger
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watson was right - he was criticising the use of them - we had 3 big guys playing and at times an empty forward line , or betts leading out of the square or garlett leading out the square

so many times betts was the one leading to the ball and hampson running back with the flight of the ball towards eddie

should be the other way around

if we are going to play the 3 big men , hammer needs to stay in the square and lead from there with the crumbers around him - the times we did that it worked real well

and when we did that - watson was complimentary

we can play all 3 , if we use them properly and structure up properly

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BigGartos
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SurreyBlue wrote:
BigGartos wrote:
"The 3 rucks experiment failed miserably..."
Someone may have responded to this in the last 3 pages but...
Tim Watson was banging on about this in the first half as well: who else could we have picked? It wasn't so much a 3 ruckman experiment as a desperate attempt to have something tall to kick to in the forward line!


Rubbish. It worked and can work. If anyone didn't see that on Sunday then they have no idea.

Not sure which bit you are disagreeing with SB: the quote, or my response to it?
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SurreyBlue
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:08 pm 
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BigGartos wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
BigGartos wrote:
"The 3 rucks experiment failed miserably..."
Someone may have responded to this in the last 3 pages but...
Tim Watson was banging on about this in the first half as well: who else could we have picked? It wasn't so much a 3 ruckman experiment as a desperate attempt to have something tall to kick to in the forward line!


Rubbish. It worked and can work. If anyone didn't see that on Sunday then they have no idea.

Not sure which bit you are disagreeing with SB: the quote, or my response to it?


Yep sorry mate - the quote! It did not fail miserably.
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BigGartos
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:15 pm 
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Cheers SB.
Good comments too Gro.
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caulfieldrover
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:26 pm 
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Would think that we will improve over the next few weeks.

Henderson, Yarran, Thornton (up forward version only), Waite and even Russell all to return. Lucas needs more opportunities. Seriously he is better than Bootsma

Not sure that we really need 3 Ruckman, would think that Hampson, wasnt effective (keeps missing) or in Ruck. No skills around the ground.

Not sure that we need to have Ellard, Joseph and Armfield in same team

Also not sure that Touhy is working hard enough?

Would think that we need to setup a little better than yesterday. What was Walker doing on the wing. This isnt 2004

Best line up

Bower Jamison Yarran

Scotland Henderson Russell

Simpson Gibbs Lucas

Robinson Waite Garlett

Betts Walker Kruezer

Warnock
Judd
Ellard

Curnow, Thornton, Armfield, McLean

Gibbs must HARDEN UP and fast. For a Pick 1 he isnt impacting games enough, VERY soft this year
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grrofunger
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what a pair of silly old @#$%&! roos and healy

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AGRO
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Caroline Wilson really move on - what would your angle have been if we did invite John Elliott to the 1987 Premiership Reunion lunch. :roll:

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Koro
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 11:54 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
watson was right - he was criticising the use of them - we had 3 big guys playing and at times an empty forward line , or betts leading out of the square or garlett leading out the square

so many times betts was the one leading to the ball and hampson running back with the flight of the ball towards eddie

should be the other way around

if we are going to play the 3 big men , hammer needs to stay in the square and lead from there with the crumbers around him - the times we did that it worked real well

and when we did that - watson was complimentary

we can play all 3 , if we use them properly and structure up properly


Agreed! Drove me crazy seeing all those talls, but not playing the forward role that we need them to do. Expecially with the crumbers we have.

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gsker1
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cortez wrote:
I read The Age report on the game this morning. I was quite pleased with Ellard's game and was surprised he didn't rate a mention amongst our best (seven listed).

I was even more surprised to see Gibbs mentioned as our second best, behind only Robbo and scored seven votes in The Age Footballer of the Year award. I wouldn't have put Bryce among our best, let alone given him 7/10 behind only Robbo's 8/10.

Now, I know you can't make too much of statistics, there's so many variables, but I thought the comparison between Ellard and Gibbs made for interesting reading.

Ellard: 29 possessions; 10 contested: 2 critical errors: 2 scoring assists: 85% game time.
Gibbs: 25 possessions; 1 contested: 3 critical errors: 1 scoring assist: 95% game time.

I felt Bryce played a servicable game, obviously not everyone is a Gibbs critic.


Not to mention Ellard also kept Maloney to something like 13 possesions, so ... you make a valid point
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