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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 12:25 pm 
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Is there a cup or a medal up for grabs tonight?

Like the Brock Medal or The Johnson Cup.

Could be the only silverware we get this year.

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 1:36 pm 
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Greg Wells Cup...sounds about right....a bit of an ouch for Melbourne fans

Better still, The Ronald Dale Barrassi Cup....premierships for both sides....so gave both teams a valuable contribution.

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 1:41 pm 
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jim wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
I was half expecting the 3 rucks for this week. Warnock is our best tap ruckman and was on the verge 2 weeks ago - seems fair enough. Kruezer has really struggled in the ruck, so why not play him at CHF without Waite in our forward line? Both Krooz and Hammer are athletic enough to play KP. Just have to learn to play the positions, so I am livid we haven't tried this previously. I don't give a shit if it didn't work for Essendon* because Essendon* don't have our 2 players mobility!
I actually think we look a little slow in the midfield with Robinson & McLean but atleast they will both hopefully give 100% and get their fair share of the pill and maybe use the runners to get it into open spaces.
Yep agree club - will be interesting to watch this unfold.
Believe it or not - I have a good feeling about this game.....don't ask me why though!


I think we both know you don't just "learn" to play KP. Not exactly a recipe for winning a flag. If it was that easy one wouldn't bother drafting KP forwards. Just get lots of ruckmen to do duel roles. Rarely in history have ruckmen made gun forwards. Can think of Salmon, McKernan, and possibly Simon Madden.

BTW I think Ryder is as mobile as any of our ruckmen. Mobility is one thing, actually having the ability to play as a KP forward is another.


Paul Salmon definitely started out as a full forward and was unstoppable for a short time.
McKernan I think was a forward who eventually did some ruck work.
Madden ... not sure how much forward work he ended up doing ... maybe.

Best one I can remember was Roger Merret at the Bears. Became a very good lead up forward. IMO Kruezer will always be too slow to play that position - his strengths lay elsewhere.


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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:06 pm 
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Yazzamatazz wrote:
Well apparently we are about to get a months worth of rain over the next 24hrs!!

We should rest Kruezer and not bring in any smaller bodies......such as boots.


Good call Yazz.
And Hendo too if he's got a dodgy groin.


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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:30 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
How about forget the composition of the team and forget injuries they are just an excuse Hows this for a novel thought everyone in the team have a red hot go and play to our capacity which we have only done once this year - they are all letting us down the last 3 weeks have been deplorable -



I agree with this.

Our players are not that bad, which actually makes our slump worse...

Melbourne actually have a crap side. Carlton have a pretty good side but all this means nothing unless the better side shows enough commitment to take the 4 points.

Lets hope the real Blues turn up tis week.

I know Judd is the almighty but some extra leadership this week is required.

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:36 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Here's a question to anyone - if Hendo & Kruezer are both out, then who play's CHF? Bower, Watson, Jamison?
If they are both out and we dropped Thornton - then we deserve to lose!


..we don't play CHF's, so it doesnt matter does it..

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:39 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
jim wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
I was half expecting the 3 rucks for this week. Warnock is our best tap ruckman and was on the verge 2 weeks ago - seems fair enough. Kruezer has really struggled in the ruck, so why not play him at CHF without Waite in our forward line? Both Krooz and Hammer are athletic enough to play KP. Just have to learn to play the positions, so I am livid we haven't tried this previously. I don't give a shit if it didn't work for Essendon* because Essendon* don't have our 2 players mobility!
I actually think we look a little slow in the midfield with Robinson & McLean but atleast they will both hopefully give 100% and get their fair share of the pill and maybe use the runners to get it into open spaces.
Yep agree club - will be interesting to watch this unfold.
Believe it or not - I have a good feeling about this game.....don't ask me why though!


I think we both know you don't just "learn" to play KP. Not exactly a recipe for winning a flag. If it was that easy one wouldn't bother drafting KP forwards. Just get lots of ruckmen to do duel roles. Rarely in history have ruckmen made gun forwards. Can think of Salmon, McKernan, and possibly Simon Madden.

BTW I think Ryder is as mobile as any of our ruckmen. Mobility is one thing, actually having the ability to play as a KP forward is another.


Paul Salmon definitely started out as a full forward and was unstoppable for a short time.
McKernan I think was a forward who eventually did some ruck work.
Madden ... not sure how much forward work he ended up doing ... maybe.

Best one I can remember was Roger Merret at the Bears. Became a very good lead up forward. IMO Kruezer will always be too slow to play that position - his strengths lay elsewhere.


Yes, the first two went from forward to rucking. Remember McKernan holding both our ruck and forward line together on his own here in 2002. Certainly good at both CHF and the ruck with North, more so in the former though. Merrett was very similar at both Essendon* and Brisbane as you said. I mention Simon Madden only because he kicked 575 goals, although he did play 378 games.


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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:48 pm 
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jim wrote:
Remember McKernan holding both our ruck and forward line together on his own here in 2002.


Wow, was that really 10 years ago :eek:

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:49 pm 
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..the difference these days is, it's rare to see a FF being able to just 'lead out from the square' all game.. ..and if yer gonna play 3 rucks, using two of them as KPF's is madness.. ..all those ruck/fwds that did well [actually quite a short list] all had bonafide KPF support..

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:51 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..the difference these days is, it's rare to see a FF being able to just 'lead out from the square' all game.. ..and if yer gonna play 3 rucks, using two of them as KPF's is madness.. ..all those ruck/fwds that did well [actually quite a short list] all had bonafide KPF support..

agreed! which is why I don't believe they will all play tonight!

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:53 pm 
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Amazing how much better Tippett looks when Walker plays well also.

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:53 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..the difference these days is, it's rare to see a FF being able to just 'lead out from the square' all game.. ..and if yer gonna play 3 rucks, using two of them as KPF's is madness.. ..all those ruck/fwds that did well [actually quite a short list] all had bonafide KPF support..

agreed! which is why I don't believe they will all play tonight!


I don't think any will play tonight :smile:

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:56 pm 
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..over the past decade you could field a team with players we've played out of position.. ..it's so bloody tiring..

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:02 pm 
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three ruckmen :donk: :donk: :donk: .....the straw that broke the camel's back !


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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:06 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Is there a cup or a medal up for grabs tonight?

Like the Brock Medal or The Johnson Cup.

Could be the only silverware we get this year.


Broken Cup?

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:07 pm 
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Im actually keen on trying out the 3 ruckman thing...........

But do it right.

The last couple of weeks i've seen (on more than one occasion mind you) Kreuzer and Hampson jumping for the ball at the same time and Betts and Jeff NOWHERE to be seen!

Play Warnock and Hampson in the ruck. Kreuzer deep forward and do-not-let Betts leave the forward 50.

Walker & Jeff can play the pockets and move up the ground a bit but FFS leave Kreuzer and Betts up at home and they can be lethal.

Nobody else is trying the 3-ruckman thing. It could prove to be the very thing we need to propel us back into top 4 contenders.

And hey - at least Ratts is trying something. I'm just happy that there's been a change!!!

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:11 pm 
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Looking over the teams this week:

Minson, Roughead and Cordy vs. Hawkins, West and Stephenson
Vickery, Griffiths and Maric vs. Roughead, Hale (McCauley as emergency)
Renouf, Stewart and Westhoff vs. Smith
Koschitzke, Blake vs. Pyke, LRT
Tippett, Jacobs, Jenkins vs. Jolly, Keefe, Dawes
Giles, Phillips, Folau vs. Bellchambers, Ryder, Carlisle
Goldstein, Petrie, Pedersen vs. Longer
Kreuzer, Warnock, Hampson vs. Jamar, Clark, Sellar
Cox, Naitanui, Lycett vs. Sandilands, Clarke, Griffin

Not many teams going in with the one ruck, probably not by choice. Not many more going in with two. Plenty with three.....

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:12 pm 
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HeraldScum has D.Ellard, K.Lucas, M.Watson as emergencies...

In: Bootsma, Collins, Joseph, McLean

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:15 pm 
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Surely with Waite out and Thornton dropped we are not actually playing 3 rucks. One is taking Waites position.
It is not like the 3rd tall (ruck if you will) is taking the place of a running player and upsetting our balance and run. The 3rd tall will be replacing a tall forward.

I dont think all 3 will play either though.


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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:15 pm 
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Until Patrick Keane tweets it, reckon it's just alphabetical order (Botsma, Bower, Collins, Curnow)

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