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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:52 am 
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Nothing frightens me more than McLean on the MCG.


Nothing frightens me more than Waite's back isnt quite right yet, might miss another week (or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 ????)

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:59 am 
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Just Judd wrote:
Mckay on SEN......didn't sound to convinced that Waite would get up for this game. His back is still stiff.


Who are the geniuses that decided it would be a good idea to give Waite a three year deal?

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:07 am 
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Effes wrote:
Just Judd wrote:
Mckay on SEN......didn't sound to convinced that Waite would get up for this game. His back is still stiff.


Who are the geniuses that decided it would be a good idea to give Waite a three year deal?


Agree, 2 years would have been suffice.

We dont have any key forwards knocking the door down so maybe he has more value than what he should at the club?
That or they knew he would be on the vets list after next year (half salary to cap) are the only reasons I can think of.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:10 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Just Judd wrote:
Mckay on SEN......didn't sound to convinced that Waite would get up for this game. His back is still stiff.

Confirmed also that Murphy will be out for 8-10 weeks.


Things are coasting.........


Pretty much confirmed Bootsma and McLean will play. Buckley in consideration as well.


I actually cringed when Mckay answered Watson's question re: which midfielders are putting their hand up in the VFL....depth in the midfielder is a big concern atm.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:10 am 
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No problem with Waites 3 yr contract.. he'll play approx 10 games per year as an experiened back-up and take over Thornton's role. Doubt T Bird will be around next season.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:25 am 
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Im not a big fan.. but McLean has to be played for 4 weeks why bring him in for 2 weeks stints??
otherwise may as well give him his cheque and send him home and stop wasting time on time.

Gibbs must stand up and play attacking !


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:38 am 
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Our midfield lacks rotations more then depth... Eddie, Walker, Garlett, Yarran,Scotland even JR should be spending more short bursts in the middle...

3-4 centre square contests per game for each of these and it makes a massive difference to Judd, Murphy, Carrots etc. long term..

I also believe we need to release Mitch Robinson. I believe he could be a Dangerfield-lite option for us.. The same attack on the ball (without the polish), but lets not forget Dangerfield has broken out this year, he already has a year or two on Mitch.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:46 am 
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JR is too slow and too down on confidence to go in the midfield.

j.scarponi wrote:
No problem with Waites 3 yr contract.. he'll play approx 10 games per year as an experiened back-up and take over Thornton's role. Doubt T Bird will be around next season.


You don't have a problem with a three year deal given to a player who will miss half the season each year?!

Thornton can stay on the park, getting rid of him would be stupid IMO.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:52 am 
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Thornton can stay on the park, getting rid of him would be stupid IMO.




Being stupid didnt stop us from delisting Setanta. :wink:

And keeping players like White on our list who has played about 12 games (Senior & Reserves) in 2 years - although I do understand he bench presses impressive numbers in the gym and is a hell of a nice guy.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:02 pm 
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Mclean an absolute Joke. Give him a run of 3 or 4 games? His had a 104 and he can not run/tag etc. Kids, Kids, Kids. Play Betts Walker on the ball and find out who can play if the kids can not play in the midfield. Explain to me what is the benefit to the club of continously giving games to list cloggers who provide no long term improvement to the team and dam us to 7 to 9thdom until our good players retire and we wooden spoon again. The excuse that they are not developing in the reserves "is an excuse". If they are not developing in the reserves, develop them in the seniors. Fix the development model over the preseason. CFC can not afford to waste the next 15 games. We currently have 8 or 9 guys who have not played 1 senior game. Given the performance of the list cloggers, play them now, there is no cost. I don't want to die wondering.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:37 pm 
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redskins wrote:
Our midfield lacks rotations more then depth...

absolutely. should have been doing this for years

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:51 pm 
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..midfield names don't matter as much as midfield tactics.. ..more varied rotations a fair few of us have been harping on about for a few seasons as well.. ..and Hendo [fit??] needs to be given the CHF role, and be left there.. ..Jamo can act as D50 anchor/general.. ..Bower has some height, others can help as 3rd man up.. ..Snotland to play off a wing but sweep behind to give support.. ..we need a real KPF roamong the F50 arc.. ..one that understands running patterns and angles, and can actually be a viable target.. ..and Hendo fits this bill, and also has the superior work ethic required.. ..Gibbs to play HF and push up into the middle to help out.. ..Walker to get more midfield time, ditto Robbo.. ..fwds such as betts and garlett to get brief runs on ball, ditto hb runners such as yaz and touhy/army..

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:56 pm 
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I also believe we need to release Mitch Robinson.



Welease Wobbo!

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:58 pm 
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Snotland.

Hee hee.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:38 pm 
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redskins wrote:
I also believe we need to release Mitch Robinson.

Hasn`t the "bruise free football" comment come back to bite us. (not Robbo though)


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:16 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Mclean an absolute Joke. Give him a run of 3 or 4 games? His had a 104 and he can not run/tag etc. Kids, Kids, Kids. Play Betts Walker on the ball and find out who can play if the kids can not play in the midfield. Explain to me what is the benefit to the club of continously giving games to list cloggers who provide no long term improvement to the team and dam us to 7 to 9thdom until our good players retire and we wooden spoon again. The excuse that they are not developing in the reserves "is an excuse". If they are not developing in the reserves, develop them in the seniors. Fix the development model over the preseason. CFC can not afford to waste the next 15 games. We currently have 8 or 9 guys who have not played 1 senior game. Given the performance of the list cloggers, play them now, there is no cost. I don't want to die wondering.


104 games / 26 years old ... he should be at his peak MJ. He showed at Melbourne that he could play once. Three or four games, a couple against theoretically easy opposition would give him and us a decent opportunity to see if he can recapture that form. I think it's worth it.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:23 pm 
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One thing we need to get right in this game is our defence.

If Hendo is playing back then one of Bower or Duigan need to go. Sunday we were rotating Hendo Jamo Bower and Duigan through the interchange in the first half and we shouldn't need to do that.

2 talls
1 medium
2 mids/runners
Yarran

Not sure Russell can count as a mid either. If Hendo goes forward then its Russell or Duigan as third tall.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:25 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
One thing we need to get right in this game is our defence.

If Hendo is playing back then one of Bower or Duigan need to go. Sunday we were rotating Hendo Jamo Bower and Duigan through the interchange in the first half and we shouldn't need to do that.

2 talls
1 medium
2 mids/runners
Yarran

Not sure Russell can count as a mid either. If Hendo goes forward then its Russell or Duigan as third tall.

So only 2 flankers??

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:42 pm 
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Agree, we don't need all of Jamison, Henderson, Bower, Duigan and Thornton in the one side. It is at least one medium/tall too many for mine. One of Duigan or Bower needs to go in order for the side to achieve better balance.

Brock McLean has never played more than three games in a row for the club (and the third of that trio barely counts as he got injured in the first few minutes). He has not had a fair and proper go at it. Get him into the side and give him a run of games in an area of the ground in which we are getting slaughtered.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:13 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Just Judd wrote:
Mckay on SEN......didn't sound to convinced that Waite would get up for this game. His back is still stiff.


Who are the geniuses that decided it would be a good idea to give Waite a three year deal?


The same geniuses who wanted to offer Bradshaw a multi year contract...

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