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Started going to the footy in 76, so experienced plenty of highs inc going to 81 and 87 flags. I thought we were on the verge of another golden patch, but not to be.

And as for that flowering "home" ground

Yet another reason why the Scum and Filth laugh at us

agree 100%

Why don't you go #%* yourself you Essendon* troll. Pretty soon another team will wipe the smug smile off your face, and though it probably won't be us for another thousand years, I hope it's the Hawks, because they hate you even more than we do. How dare you come over here and kick us while we are down. Do we, the supporters choose the team or management? Do you you choose your teams? well,do ya punk??
I bid you goodnite, you stupid troll.
get thee hence.
kind regards,
bg72.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Yay BG.

I was taking the high ground by not responding. But yours is much more satisfying.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

As entertaining as the response was...

He's right you know?

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

yeah, time to kick back a bit,
get that pile of laundry done..
take up fine needlecraft..
re paint the house...
so much to do,
so little time.
we lost a few games,
we suck pretty bad right now.
the world is not ending
last time I checked.
g'nite johnboy.
xx
(stupid f'in troll, or twoll if you're Leigh Mathews. )

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

On what we've seen of late, and with no Murphy or Carrots for those games, the Port game is far from a soda. A loss to the Dees will see Ratten suffer the same fate as Robbie Walls when we lost to the Bears at PP all those years ago.

No, I don't know?
I don't think that Gibbs is better than Dangerfield.
Paddy is a great player.
No, I think it's a worn out cliche to say Judd carries the team. Until recently, the boys were working very hard to pull their weight.
No, I think we are no different from any club that has the ability to pull in good players. To say we only try and buy success and don't work at it, is to sell all the hard work that this group has put in for the last few years, very short, and is mean spirited in the face of a form slump.
No, I don't think we need an idiot who is hateful enough to wander over here tonite, to tell us anything.
ok?
goodnite to you Rhino.
Pleasant dreams.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

I feel ill.

I love Carlton but I have lost faith.

There needs to be change

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They coud'nt.....could they?

This year we have to learn to live with being premiership favourites - IMO that's backfired.

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Bawditawaba

I think he's bloody well right, even if he has the cheek to come on here and say it. We thought, and possibly still do think, Judd and the number ones will do virtually all the work.

Get bloody Dangerfield, indeed!

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

What can I add?

Never felt flatter being just 3 goals down than I did late in the second. That 10 minute arm wrestle where no team scored only for us to concede a couple was the end. Sad really when you consider some of the fightbacks we've had in games over the past 3 years.

Logged onto here at 1/2 time, and probably the first time that I didn't read a positive post that was something along the lines of "Need to get the first couple", "just need to change this or that" "as long as we can be within reach at 3/4 time, we'll run all over them" etc. It was like what we feared would unfold was happening all over again.

I'm sure it has been mentioned elsewhere, but the tag that surprised me the most was the forward tag of Robinson on Reilly. I mean he's having a good season, and pay him some respect, but when you are getting physically smashed in the middle and one of your key players is getting tagged out of the game, surely we could have done with some aggression in there? Should have been in Van Berlo's face the second he went to Murphy.

Outbullied so often now to the point where GWS didn't even back away. Much has been made of the fact that we are big enough physically, but the introverted nature of the group means that apart from Robinson we dont have anyone who plays on the edge, or tests the boundaries.

Hard to imagine that Dangerfield and Thompson were actually tagged. When you look at their numbers, you start to wonder why we would actually bother? Could they have had any more of an impact if we just let them run free?!

I could keep rambling, but everything and then some will no doubt be covered all week.

Only positive is that if this club doesn't have a list, coach, or structure off field to contend for a flag it's better we find out now, then have another 5th or 6th place finish that wallpapers over the cracks.

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"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."

Good quote i reckon. Seems to me it doesnt matter what player we bring in, they just turn the same colour of crap that the other 21 are at the moment. Its not our talent or quality of player (although our depth is obviously not great) , its their motivation and determination to succeed. That has to come from the coaching staff, thats their job and what they are paid all that cash for. Dont tell me that the bombers or saints list is infinitely better than ours, we are just badly coached and thus its impacting greatly on their motivation. They look lost before they start. the plays dont work and our selected team never seems suited to the team we are playing.

Recruiting may not have been great, but it had its wins and using hindsight to vindicate your views is just wishful thinking.

Sorry Ratts and Sticks, loved you both but it time to leave the show. Youve had your shot.

And please when you leave, take that big lump of sh!te that we call our 'home ground" with you.

Well there goes the year. We'll struggle into the lower reaches of the 8, but we won't be competing deep into September. Other than a really good month over the first 4 rounds, the form this year has been pretty diabolical. Shocking pre-season. And everything has slowly fell apart since the Essendon* game. You can see the confidence leaking out of the players. They're not only underperforming, but they've lost belief that we can do anything about it. Doesn't bode well for the coaching panel, when that happens.

What was perhaps even more dissapointing was that we had some good players today: Judd, Scotland, Ellard, Jamo, Robbo, Hendo, Simmo. But just didn't seem anywhere near able to compete. Looked like boys vs. men in the midfield tussles. They would get first possession and we'd try and lay some sort of tackle, but the ball would flip out and down the field. Or we would get first possession, and then they'd tackle in such a way that the ball would spill free and effect a turnover. Or at worst, get trapped in for another ball up.

There's also something very, very wrong with our team defense. The midfield isn't winning the ball anymore, and they refuse to run defensively (with the exception of Armfield). How many times did the ball go to an Adelaide player in space in the central corridor? How many times did they take a fairly simple mark on the lead in the forward 50, because our players wouldn't push back into space? How many times were they able to score fairly easily from forward stoppages, because we didn't have numbers back, or someone standing on the defensive side, or someone standing on the goal line or because they wouldn't tackle? And how many goals did Adelaide's midfielders kick?

We simply need to find a way to get some longer term value out of Gibbs and Kreuzer. If that means we now treat this year more as a development year now, then so be it. But Kreuzer needs to learn to be dangerous up forward (because at his height, he's unlikely to ever be a number one ruckman). And Gibbs either needs to be developed as a genuine midfielder, not as a tagger (which isn't working anyway). Or he needs to be developed as a forward. I actually wouldn't mind if we played Judd as a permanent forward for a while. Perhaps he's carried the midfield as an extractor for so long, that the rest haven't really had to take enough responsibility.

I also can't believe we're struggling with our small defenders, given the plethora of hbf we have on our list. Probably our best defensive small defender (in Armfield) is playing midfield (perhaps because the majority of our midfielders refuse to run defensively). Russell is struggling so badly with confidence, I'm starting to wonder if he can ever recapture his best footy. Tuohy is struggling at the moment, but should get better. Joseph doesn't seem to be able to do the job. And then we have the creative rebounders in Scotland, Gibbs and Yarran, who don't really want to defend dangerous small forwards. Maybe we just need to bite the bullet and get an obviously 'unready' Bootsma into the side for developmental reasons.

I know a lot can change, but given some of our list weaknesses, and the obvious fragility of this senior group, it's hard to see a premiership coming to us in the Judd era.

Truth hurts?

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

This

WORK ETHIC
AGGRESION
STRENGTH
TENACITY
AMBITION

Leadership MUST BE AN ISSUE!!!!

They roll over and let it happen.

Blame the players? Sort of for the short term
Blame the leadership? @#$%&! yeah

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They coud'nt.....could they?

Its called leading from the back. Innovation at its finest!

We lack leadership on and off the field. Not enough strong personalities on field when the going gets tough, or off the field to take charge of things.

It's both, don't you think "motivation and determination" is sometimes innate? Some can develop it and others can't.

Anyway, it's beside the point, yes, we have talent but you can't say some of those on-baller sized fringe players have ever resembled anything like potential premiership players. It goes with the territory, we think the only side we need to improve upon is us. It's all about our last or most vivid losses not about taking things to another level.

The coach is supposed to know how to get the best out of what he's got but he also needs to know what kind of cattle he needs to do something worthwhile.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.